Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Mine will be bronze (Time healing!) but I am still not sure on what armor color to best fit with it.

[Kiria]

Mine will be bronze (Time healing!) but I am still not sure on what armor color to best fit with it.

Yeah, I may play around abit more, but as a warning not all the options for Dracthyr are in the dressing room right now, I'm too excited for this Race/Class.

[Black Rider]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-1...ulation-327821

[Raetary]

Probably gonna stick with this:


+ Traditional chestpiece, but that option is bugged atm and clipping throught the body.

[Nyel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-1...ulation-327821

As I said in the other thread, as logical as this sounds from a lore perspective, I have a very hard time imagining how Dragonriding (the feature of the expansion) would work in underground caves as - even if they're enormous - will not be as big as overworld zones or places. So restricting your new feature in favor of an underground zone seems like a step back in their design philosophy.

[Gaidax]

As I said in the other thread, as logical as this sounds from a lore perspective, I have a very hard time imagining how Dragonriding (the feature of the expansion) would work in underground caves as - even if they're enormous - will not be as big as overworld zones or places. So restricting your new feature in favor of an underground zone seems like a step back in their design philosophy.

Ever seen Deepholm?

[Raetary]

As I said in the other thread, as logical as this sounds from a lore perspective, I have a very hard time imagining how Dragonriding (the feature of the expansion) would work in underground caves as - even if they're enormous - will not be as big as overworld zones or places. So restricting your new feature in favor of an underground zone seems like a step back in their design philosophy.

The only difference between an underground and overworld zone is that the sky limit will be bigger in one than the other.
Which, with Dragonriding, is completely irrelevant as Dragonriding will not get you that high to beginn with.

There will be no difference in how it works.

[Sondrelk]

As I said in the other thread, as logical as this sounds from a lore perspective, I have a very hard time imagining how Dragonriding (the feature of the expansion) would work in underground caves as - even if they're enormous - will not be as big as overworld zones or places. So restricting your new feature in favor of an underground zone seems like a step back in their design philosophy.

So long as the underground areas are not too restrictive I somehow I would imagine Dragonriding is more exhilarating. The races would likely be even more challenging as you might have several narrow passages, and the ability to hit the ceiling and not just the ground.

[Nyel]

Ever seen Deepholm?

Yes, I even mentioned Deepholm in my other comment, it's the same problem though. Deepholme is a generic underground zone. But they explicitly said that the Dragon Isles are far bigger and open than previous zones to allow Dragonriding.

So an underground cave would need to be MASSIVE to make that work, it would need to be very vertical to play to the strenghts of Dragonriding and while not impossible it just seems weird to introduce an underground zone in an expansion that's dedicated to huge open zones. It's just against the entire design philosophy of Dragonflight. An underground zone would have made sense in every other expansion, in Dragonflight it just seems counterproductive.

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There will be no difference in how it works.

Uhm yes there will, alone by the limitating factor of the ceiling in an underground zone.

[huth]

Uhm yes there will, alone by the limitating factor of the ceiling in an underground zone.

You mean as opposed to the surface zones with their infinite flight height? Oh, wait.

There really is no mechanical difference. Besides, making that zone really isn't the problem - Deepholme mostly had Blizzard's aversion to making "empty" space work against it. Something they deliberately are including this time.

[Raetary]

Uhm yes there will, alone by the limitating factor of the ceiling in an underground zone.

There absolutely will not.

An underground zone with the same size and verticality as the other DF zones will have no functional difference for Dragonriding.

You could reduce the current sky ceiling for the overworld zones and nothing would change for them either.

[Sondrelk]

Yes, I even mentioned Deepholm in my other comment, it's the same problem though. Deepholme is a generic underground zone. But they explicitly said that the Dragon Isles are far bigger and open than previous zones to allow Dragonriding.

So an underground cave would need to be MASSIVE to make that work, it would need to be very vertical to play to the strenghts of Dragonriding and while not impossible it just seems weird to introduce an underground zone in an expansion that's dedicated to huge open zones. It's just against the entire design philosophy of Dragonflight. An underground zone would have made sense in every other expansion, in Dragonflight it just seems counterproductive.

Why is it being an underground zone making it impossible for the zone to be large enoug hto accomodate Dragonriding? Just make the caverns large enough that you can place whatever vertical features and obstacles into it and you are golden? Deepholme isnt even really an underground zone, just a bowl shaped zone with a skybox that completes the illusion, and the background of Azjol'nerub shows that caves on Azeroth can be absolutely massive.

The Dragon Isles even have several cliffs, arches, and even zome larger caves if you look at the northern zone. Just combine all of that and place an impassable wall a bit higher up and you have a perfectly fitting underground area. I mean honestly, just imagine Deepholm with the ability to move up the middle tower, and several features more fit for Dragonriding along the perimeter and you have a zone that would work perfectly for Dragonriding.

[Raetary]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...DLp0Y3jlQ&s=19

The 5th Dragonriding mount looks fantastic.

[Lady Atia]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...DLp0Y3jlQ&s=19

The 5th Dragonriding mount looks fantastic.

Wait what?? We are getting a fifth mount?

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If so that's huge news, no clue why wowhead isn't even reporting on that lol.

[Makabreska]

As I said in the other thread, as logical as this sounds from a lore perspective, I have a very hard time imagining how Dragonriding (the feature of the expansion) would work in underground caves as - even if they're enormous - will not be as big as overworld zones or places. So restricting your new feature in favor of an underground zone seems like a step back in their design philosophy.

Why do you enter #doubt and obtuse/unreasonable pessimism mode each time Dragonrising is involved? You dismiss Deepholme, but it is literally a living proof of you being wrong. Stop finding issues for DR, please.

[Xilurm]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...DLp0Y3jlQ&s=19

The 5th Dragonriding mount looks fantastic.

Oh that looks really good.

[Sondrelk]

Wait what?? We are getting a fifth mount?

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If so that's huge news, no clue why wowhead isn't even reporting on that lol.

I would guess it's because noone really knows how exactly the Dragonriding mounts will actually function. Sometimes it seems like they are four different mounts (now five), sometimes it sounds like it's one mount with four/five different main variants available for customization. Not to mention that the initial version we were pitched seemed to hint at the different dragons having different strengths and special moves of some kind, whereas we currently don't even know what Dragonriding will be like outside the very first version we get while levelling.

[Raetary]

Wait what?? We are getting a fifth mount?

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If so that's huge news, no clue why wowhead isn't even reporting on that lol.

Yep
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...ohQyw2BPg&s=19

5 different dragon mounts to collect and customize.
Drake Mcderpface that we start out with, the proto drake, the pterrodax, the wyvern drake and that serpent drake.

[THEORACLE64]

Yes, I even mentioned Deepholm in my other comment, it's the same problem though. Deepholme is a generic underground zone. But they explicitly said that the Dragon Isles are far bigger and open than previous zones to allow Dragonriding.

So an underground cave would need to be MASSIVE to make that work, it would need to be very vertical to play to the strenghts of Dragonriding and while not impossible it just seems weird to introduce an underground zone in an expansion that's dedicated to huge open zones. It's just against the entire design philosophy of Dragonflight. An underground zone would have made sense in every other expansion, in Dragonflight it just seems counterproductive.

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Uhm yes there will, alone by the limitating factor of the ceiling in an underground zone.

I imagine it would basically feel like an outdoor zone, but with a skybox that resembles a giant cave so it still all feels underground.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly, underground dragon races that require you to carefully fly through small tunnels connecting caves sounds like fun to me. Plus by the time we get there we will be much more experienced and have probably completed Dragonriding talents.