1. #64601
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    So all of the other classes that are left aren't even as much done as Paladin at this point? Because if they all have at least one spec ready and the talent tree set up they could release all of them based on this answer, couldn't they?
    They probably could release all of them in some state, but choose not to. I think it's great they released atleast this much of Paladin. You can already see how the class tree will be good for Holy. They said they want focused feedback, so they release everything in little parts.

  2. #64602
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    I loved what they did with her in Shadowlands. It fixed the horrible mess of "Battle for Afrasiabi".
    I hated everything about her from the moment the Burning of Teldrassil happened until the last patch where High Elf Sylvanas came back. I still don't like what happened, or feel sorry about her. But I'm content with the resolution at the end.

    Now as long as they keep Tyrande alive forever and give the Night Elves an actual home and STOP MESSING WITH THEM, I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I hated everything about her from the moment the Burning of Teldrassil happened until the last patch where High Elf Sylvanas came back. I still don't like what happened, or feel sorry about her. But I'm content with the resolution at the end.

    Now as long as they keep Tyrande alive forever and give the Night Elves an actual home and STOP MESSING WITH THEM, I'll be happy.
    Inb4 Tyrande sacrifices herself to resurrect Ysera.

  4. #64604
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Inb4 Tyrande sacrifices herself to resurrect Ysera.
    That would be dumb as hell.

    Pretty sure Ysera is quite fine with where she is.

  5. #64605
    Holy has some very different playstyles going for it. They have kept glimmer and the battle priest concept but they clearly don't like it what with all the effort to return the class to hard casting. Maybe they are trying some major changes.

  6. #64606
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Grimtotems in da house!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHVa-LXZzk

    It seems that with these new talents they are trying to preserve all current meta builds. Not liking Sun Kings being back, on the fence with Arcane Harmony. Very specific play style, not sure how it will synergise with the rest of talents.
    Aw, the room at 5:45 is inside a dungeon? I was hoping it was on the outside so I could fly around the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Aw, the room at 5:45 is inside a dungeon? I was hoping it was on the outside so I could fly around the place.
    Maybe we get lucky and the dungeon has a non-instanced version. They did say they will add elite areas back. Non-instanced versions of dungeons could be that.

  8. #64608
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Holy has some very different playstyles going for it. They have kept glimmer and the battle priest concept but they clearly don't like it what with all the effort to return the class to hard casting. Maybe they are trying some major changes.
    Right now I'm a bit afraid of Holy to be honest. I think the time I enjoyed Holy the most was during Cataclysm, the whole "melee healer" concept is so half-hearted and not really working, I hope they don't make it mandatory. I do have the same fear for Mistweaver though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    That would be dumb as hell.

    Pretty sure Ysera is quite fine with where she is.
    People are already adamant that it is Ysera and not Merithra on the loading screen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  10. #64610
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Right now I'm a bit afraid of Holy to be honest. I think the time I enjoyed Holy the most was during Cataclysm, the whole "melee healer" concept is so half-hearted and not really working, I hope they don't make it mandatory. I do have the same fear for Mistweaver though.
    While I found the melee healing style pretty fun in SL, especially with divine toll, I do hope some kind of ranged build will be possible in DF. If they made a talent that made bestow faith heal instantly and maybe do damage on enemies too and have a lower cd that could replace crusader strike and offer a more ranged option.

  11. #64611
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Thank you, I've read that and the explanation still makes not much sense in regards of all the other talent trees that are still missing. I guess they could do the same with all other classes yet they chose not to. And this is the first time they've released a class in this alpha that's only halfway done, so no idea why they felt the need to do it with Paladins.
    a few possible reasons
    1. more tanks and dps are needed in alpha currently
    2. getting feedback on the general tree and other 2 specs is important
    3. they just hate holy paladins and want them to suffer

    they just didnt have the holy tree in a state that they wanted testing like the discussion might have been "heres the tree we have right now but we know theres a bunch of issues that players will point out so a lot of feedback is already being adressed" its a test build theres no rule stating the class needs to be complete

    remember WoD alpha where warriors got leveling traits buffing removed abilities?

  12. #64612
    Oh they are bringing eagle mounts finally. My Highmountain Tauren will appreciate that a lot Now give Highmountain Paladins!

  13. #64613
    ret tree actually has choice and it kills me i cant have 3 of the bottom talents at once lol
    fire mage has some traits in weird places but looks like a really short combustion is possible even without a bunch of gear
    arcane just looks really fun

    the new zone is what i would expect from the first leveling zone and looking at the 185 ilvl for starter character i have no doubt that everyone who has logged in a couple times now will be more than ready to go in and not die especially with season 4. This brings up the possibility of our endgame gear in SL lasting until 69.

  14. #64614
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    ret tree actually has choice and it kills me i cant have 3 of the bottom talents at once lol
    fire mage has some traits in weird places but looks like a really short combustion is possible even without a bunch of gear
    arcane just looks really fun

    the new zone is what i would expect from the first leveling zone and looking at the 185 ilvl for starter character i have no doubt that everyone who has logged in a couple times now will be more than ready to go in and not die especially with season 4. This brings up the possibility of our endgame gear in SL lasting until 69.
    I really like the focus on Execution Sentence. It's a cool spell and I like that they're making it a bigger part of Retri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lathspell View Post
    While I found the melee healing style pretty fun in SL, especially with divine toll, I do hope some kind of ranged build will be possible in DF. If they made a talent that made bestow faith heal instantly and maybe do damage on enemies too and have a lower cd that could replace crusader strike and offer a more ranged option.
    Yeah, Bestow Faith is just so... lacklustre. I don't know, that skill could be so much more than what it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh they are bringing eagle mounts finally. My Highmountain Tauren will appreciate that a lot Now give Highmountain Paladins!
    I would prefer Highmountain Warlocks. There's precedent with the Feltotem, and it would serve to distinguish them from baseline Tauren.

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    Hopefully we will actually get the regular brown Highmountain eagles, and not just these new ones.
    Blizzard has avoided giving us the regular eagle ever since Legion. They had the chance with Highmountain rep, secrets, emissary, and even the unique hunter mount, but no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    I would prefer Highmountain Warlocks. There's precedent with the Feltotem, and it would serve to distinguish them from baseline Tauren.
    The endgame is to have all classes for all races (besides Evoker because it makes no sense for other races, although they could just use them for the visage form). There is literally no need to distinguish races with classes anymore tbh. Highmountains are blessed by Cenarius and coming from the Broken Isles - that's enough to make them unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    The endgame is to have all classes for all races (besides Evoker because it makes no sense for other races, although they could just use them for the visage form). There is literally no need to distinguish races with classes anymore tbh. Highmountains are blessed by Cenarius and coming from the Broken Isles - that's enough to make them unique.
    I'm definitely curious if they'll do that for DHs as well as there really doesn't seem to be a good story for that right now, especially for races like LF Draenei that weren't on Azeroth when DHs were first created. The rest of the classes I think could work (though a few might need some story to help them make sense), but I'm really not sure how you make any new race go through all the sacrifices & hardships DHs do without Illidan or the Legion acting as catalysts for it.

    Any word on whether they've added any story for any of the new race/class combos? I'd love to see a Tauren Rogue saying they've always been there or maybe an Orc starting to learn about how to wield the Light as an intro for the new combos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I'm definitely curious if they'll do that for DHs as well as there really doesn't seem to be a good story for that right now, especially for races like LF Draenei that weren't on Azeroth when DHs were first created. The rest of the classes I think could work (though a few might need some story to help them make sense), but I'm really not sure how you make any new race go through all the sacrifices & hardships DHs do without Illidan or the Legion acting as catalysts for it.

    Any word on whether they've added any story for any of the new race/class combos? I'd love to see a Tauren Rogue saying they've always been there or maybe an Orc starting to learn about how to wield the Light as an intro for the new combos.
    Not sure about Orc Priests but there are actually quite a few Elven Shamans on the Dragon Isles (even though they aren't playable yet 'cause they need to design the totems first). I would say they will sprinkle the new class/race combos into the game when it makes sense. Also we always had Outlaw Tauren pirates in the game since vanilla.

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    What is the folks opinion on the new loading screen with Alex and the crew?

    Particularly the identity of the Green dragon in their visage form in the back. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it is Merithra (based on her taking a lead role in the Green flight's story), or whether it is Ysera (facial markings, horns, and moon-crest-thing are a dead giveaway, but why would they have her revival plastered on a loading screen unless it's a loading screen for after her revival?).

    There are also some datamined weapons with Ysera's name in the file-name which seem to match this figure's armour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Not sure about Orc Priests but there are actually quite a few Elven Shamans on the Dragon Isles (even though they aren't playable yet 'cause they need to design the totems first). I would say they will sprinkle the new class/race combos into the game when it makes sense. Also we always had Outlaw Tauren pirates in the game since vanilla.
    There is also Mishka, the SI:7 Draenei rogue (uses Stealth and has Energy as a resource, is part of an intelligence organization consisting largely of rogues).
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