Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Malorne the White Stag]

Dracthyr is a class and race in one so it's relevant.

only until they give them more classes

[Nymrohd]

So with no cost barbershops, what's the chance for a new gold sink mount that includes a barber?

[Lady Atia]

You were attacking people for saying that stuff in data mining changes. Screeching that it would be a mount because you say so..

? I never said that stuff in data mining won't change lol. And it will be a mount because Blizzard has already finished it including the same amount of customization options as all the other dragonriding mounts (which you prolly didn't see because no one was previewing them, but they are in the data) aswell as animations. The stuff that got removed from it wasn't even something a mount would have in the first place (the sitting animation f.e.) or something that may be problematic due to motion sickness.

You are welcome to bash me if 11.0 hits and we never got the serpent drake though. Feel free to do so <3

(btw it's interesting how you say that I was "attacking people" but now you say I'm screeching. You must be fun at parties haha)

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So with no cost barbershops, what's the chance for a new gold sink mount that includes a barber?

I would love a Hippo with a Barber on it's back. The Dragon Isles are home to wild hippos but sadly so far we didn't get any of them as a mount.

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There is a side quest about a Dragonmaw Orc on the Alpha:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/side-qu...-legacy-328086

Interesting enough, it seems like they use the WoD blackrock skin for him?



https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194800/duroz

[Dracullus]

So with no cost barbershops, what's the chance for a new gold sink mount that includes a barber?

I don't get what one has to do with another. But game really needs good gold sink. EU token during BfA was around 160k, now we are back to Legion levels.

Imo for start they could put older or removed store/RAF mounts in vendor for 500k gold each.

[Nymrohd]

I don't get what one has to do with another. But game really needs good gold sink. EU token during BfA was around 160k, now we are back to Legion levels.

Imo for start they could put older or removed store/RAF mounts in vendor for 500k gold each.

Most gold sink mounts are tied to important services. The Traveller's Tundra Mammoth gave people on demand repairs. The Yak gave everyone access to transmog. The Brutosaur gave us a mobile AH. What we are left with is a bank (you can access your bank with a CD in some ways already but not on demand) and the barbershop. Since they are making the barbershop much easier to use by removing the cost (and seemingly increasing customization) and since it would have a lesser effect than mobile bank access, it would make sense as the next mounted service?

[Veluren]

There is a side quest about a Dragonmaw Orc on the Alpha:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/side-qu...-legacy-328086

Interesting enough, it seems like they use the WoD blackrock skin for him?



https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194800/duroz

I actually got to talk with one of the blizz employees in one of my guilds that worked on this guy and chain, they said he has the regular orc model/skeleton with some of the options from the cataclysm-era Dragomaw orcs because they were worried about making people angry if he was a Mag'har Dragonmaw when players don't have any of those options.

(They also lamented that WoWhead found it while it was first draft so we might see a bit of reorienting and rewriting)

[Lady Atia]

I actually got to talk with one of the blizz employees in one of my guilds that worked on this guy and chain, they said he has the regular orc model/skeleton with some of the options from the cataclysm-era Dragomaw orcs because they were worried about making people angry if he was a Mag'har Dragonmaw when players don't have any of those options.

(They also lamented that WoWhead found it while it was first draft so we might see a bit of reorienting and rewriting)

Good to know - well the easiest solution to the whole problem would be to give players the dragonmaw options (either via regular or Maghar Orcs). I actually liked the writing of the questchain so far, it's quite touching so I hope they won't really change it tbh.

[Lahis]

? I never said that stuff in data mining won't change lol. And it will be a mount because Blizzard has already finished it including the same amount of customization options as all the other dragonriding mounts (which you prolly didn't see because no one was previewing them, but they are in the data) aswell as animations. The stuff that got removed from it wasn't even something a mount would have in the first place (the sitting animation f.e.) or something that may be problematic due to motion sickness.

You are welcome to bash me if 11.0 hits and we never got the serpent drake though. Feel free to do so <3

(btw it's interesting how you say that I was "attacking people" but now you say I'm screeching. You must be fun at parties haha)

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I would love a Hippo with a Barber on it's back. The Dragon Isles are home to wild hippos but sadly so far we didn't get any of them as a mount.

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There is a side quest about a Dragonmaw Orc on the Alpha:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/side-qu...-legacy-328086

Interesting enough, it seems like they use the WoD blackrock skin for him?



https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194800/duroz

Dragonmaw got Blackrock like gray skin in Cataclysm with unique tattoos in Cataclysm, but that was replaced but regular Blackrock gray skin and glowing eyes in WoD model update when they didn't update the unique Dragonmaw NPC skins.

[Sondrelk]

Most gold sink mounts are tied to important services. The Traveller's Tundra Mammoth gave people on demand repairs. The Yak gave everyone access to transmog. The Brutosaur gave us a mobile AH. What we are left with is a bank (you can access your bank with a CD in some ways already but not on demand) and the barbershop. Since they are making the barbershop much easier to use by removing the cost (and seemingly increasing customization) and since it would have a lesser effect than mobile bank access, it would make sense as the next mounted service?

The yak actually gave reforging. It was only once that mechanic was removed that Blizzard changed it to transmog.

Regardless, a barbershop seems fitting. A bank would likely be too powerful as it essentially means you have several times the effective bag space.
A barbershop seems like it would hit that sweet spot where it is useful, but not so much it ruins the intended experience like what the Brutosaur kinda does.

[Segus1992]

These are so tiny.

Really can't fit more in Arathi Highlands without rebuilding the map itself.

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I actually got to talk with one of the blizz employees in one of my guilds that worked on this guy and chain, they said he has the regular orc model/skeleton with some of the options from the cataclysm-era Dragomaw orcs because they were worried about making people angry if he was a Mag'har Dragonmaw when players don't have any of those options.

(They also lamented that WoWhead found it while it was first draft so we might see a bit of reorienting and rewriting)

Eh? The regular orc skeleton and the Mag'har skeleton are the same though?

[Veluren]

Really can't fit more in Arathi Highlands without rebuilding the map itself.



Eh? The regular orc skeleton and the Mag'har skeleton are the same though?

Different models according to them, I assume that's some more technical stuff that goes over my head because it also made me raise an eyebrow.

[Hitei]

The yak actually gave reforging. It was only once that mechanic was removed that Blizzard changed it to transmog.

Regardless, a barbershop seems fitting. A bank would likely be too powerful as it essentially means you have several times the effective bag space.
A barbershop seems like it would hit that sweet spot where it is useful, but not so much it ruins the intended experience like what the Brutosaur kinda does.

Don't think people use the barbershop often enough for it to be worth buying a barbershop mount.

Transmog (and reforging) are both things that are done often and are convenient to do out in the field--any time you get a new piece of gear from a dungeon or a raid, or even a quest if you're that kind of person, potentially your whole outfit looks awkward until you can access transmog and fix it. Previously, gear that was only a slight upgrade, or that messed with breakpoints, would need to be reforged before you could really use it.

So for both these things, having access to the service out in the field in the moment where you need it is useful. Vendoring and the AH are the same.

But the barbershop is not like any of these things. You have all the possible options immediately (short of individual circumstances like Night Warrior or Undead Elves). There's no point out in the field where you suddenly need to adjust your hair color, and you don't finish a dungeon and suddenly need to change to a new Draenei tail length. People often go very long periods of time between using the barbershop if they're happy with their setup, and since it's not tied to new additions or having to redo it (like xmog) there's no need to actively maintain it.

You'd get more use out of a mail mount. Or maybe a particularly hard to get summon mount that acts as a mobile meeting stone but requires one other person to click start the portal and two people to channel it. With the profession updates, a mobile profession station for a single profession would also be very nice, though it would potentially degrade the world feel they're going for.

[8bithamster]

? I never said that stuff in data mining won't change lol. And it will be a mount because Blizzard has already finished it including the same amount of customization options as all the other dragonriding mounts (which you prolly didn't see because no one was previewing them, but they are in the data) aswell as animations. The stuff that got removed from it wasn't even something a mount would have in the first place (the sitting animation f.e.) or something that may be problematic due to motion sickness.

You are welcome to bash me if 11.0 hits and we never got the serpent drake though. Feel free to do so <3

(btw it's interesting how you say that I was "attacking people" but now you say I'm screeching. You must be fun at parties haha)

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I would love a Hippo with a Barber on it's back. The Dragon Isles are home to wild hippos but sadly so far we didn't get any of them as a mount.

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There is a side quest about a Dragonmaw Orc on the Alpha:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/side-qu...-legacy-328086

Interesting enough, it seems like they use the WoD blackrock skin for him?



https://www.wowhead.com/beta/npc=194800/duroz

1.) So you are saying that anything ever datamined always got used. There is no exception ever?
2.) Datamine=/= it will be used

Something something temper your expectations.

My original point was that people who blindly follow datamining and then blame blizzard when datamining led them down the wrong expectations are purely themselves to blame. You are a prime example of this.


Expect nothing, and you won't be dissapointed, especially with datamining.

As for a barber mount, why would we need one?

Mammoth -> Repair + Vendor -> Things that are used commonly
Yak -> Transmog + Vendor -> Things that are used commonly, especially when changing gear within raids
Dino -> AH + Vendor -> See Yak, same reasoning

Barber? I really don't know anyone who changes at the barber that often that a barber mount is needed. And since we didn't get a new "convenience" mount in SL, I don't expect one at least at the start of BF. I feel they will fully go all in on the dragonriding mounts, and maybe later down the line (in a X.1/X.2 patch) add other mounts like a new vendor/whatever mount

[Lahis]

Different models according to them, I assume that's some more technical stuff that goes over my head because it also made me raise an eyebrow.

Mag'har and regular Orcs have different jewelry and hairstyle options. Jewelry and hair are based on the model mesh, hence Mag'har and regular Orcs have different models.

Cataclysm era Dragonmaw/Blackrock NPC skins exists on regular orc model, much like pre-BFA Dark Iron NPC skins exists on regular dwarf model, and not on Dark Iron Dwarf model.

[Sondrelk]

Don't think people use the barbershop often enough for it to be worth buying a barbershop mount.

Transmog (and reforging) are both things that are done often and are convenient to do out in the field--any time you get a new piece of gear from a dungeon or a raid, or even a quest if you're that kind of person, potentially your whole outfit looks awkward until you can access transmog and fix it. Previously, gear that was only a slight upgrade, or that messed with breakpoints, would need to be reforged before you could really use it.

So for both these things, having access to the service out in the field in the moment where you need it is useful. Vendoring and the AH are the same.

But the barbershop is not like any of these things. You have all the possible options immediately (short of individual circumstances like Night Warrior or Undead Elves). There's no point out in the field where you suddenly need to adjust your hair color, and you don't finish a dungeon and suddenly need to change to a new Draenei tail length. People often go very long periods of time between using the barbershop if they're happy with their setup, and since it's not tied to new additions or having to redo it (like xmog) there's no need to actively maintain it.

You'd get more use out of a mail mount. Or maybe a particularly hard to get summon mount that acts as a mobile meeting stone but requires one other person to click start the portal and two people to channel it. With the profession updates, a mobile profession station for a single profession would also be very nice, though it would potentially degrade the world feel they're going for.

You don't need the barbershop all the time, but simultaneously you cannot make the mount too good, otherwise you just end up with the Brutosaur complaints of giving an actual tangible gameplay benefit locked behind a massive goldsink, which creates issues when considering the gold token.

The barbershop is not really needed, but at the same time it is a neat benefit you can gain, and one that players will want when offered.

[MightyWarrior]

What do you guys think the chances are that the warrior talent tree is revealed tomorrow?

[Jaggler]

What do you guys think the chances are that the warrior talent tree is revealed tomorrow?

Very high, i was surprised they added paladin before warrior tbh. Mage was a shoe-in

[Raetary]

Dracthyr is the race.
Evoker is the class.

Yes, they gave them 2 names because they have to for technical purposes.

Design-wise they are one and the same thing, to the extent that the evoker talent tree even has skills that enhance their racials.
They even introduced them as "a race that's also a class" in the expansion previews.

[Jaggler]

Yes, they gave them 2 names because they have to for technical purposes.

Design-wise they are one and the same thing, to the extent that the evoker talent tree even has skills that enhance their racials.
They even introduced them as "a race that's also a class" in the expansion previews.

Tbh that's something that could be easily changed in a 11.0 pre-patch though. Dracthyr Evoker are a package FOR NOW and probably throughout all of Dragonflight. Afterwards, who knows.

[Nymrohd]

Tbh that's something that could be easily changed in a 11.0 pre-patch though. Dracthyr Evoker are a package FOR NOW and probably throughout all of Dragonflight. Afterwards, who knows.

I really think that when we revisit their starting zone it will be a good time to add a few more classes. Especially given the datamining suggests 10.1 will be an underground zone and NOT their starting zone.