1. #64881
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Thank you, I've read that and the explanation still makes not much sense in regards of all the other talent trees that are still missing. I guess they could do the same with all other classes yet they chose not to. And this is the first time they've released a class in this alpha that's only halfway done, so no idea why they felt the need to do it with Paladins.
    a few possible reasons
    1. more tanks and dps are needed in alpha currently
    2. getting feedback on the general tree and other 2 specs is important
    3. they just hate holy paladins and want them to suffer

    they just didnt have the holy tree in a state that they wanted testing like the discussion might have been "heres the tree we have right now but we know theres a bunch of issues that players will point out so a lot of feedback is already being adressed" its a test build theres no rule stating the class needs to be complete

    remember WoD alpha where warriors got leveling traits buffing removed abilities?

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    Oh they are bringing eagle mounts finally. My Highmountain Tauren will appreciate that a lot Now give Highmountain Paladins!

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    ret tree actually has choice and it kills me i cant have 3 of the bottom talents at once lol
    fire mage has some traits in weird places but looks like a really short combustion is possible even without a bunch of gear
    arcane just looks really fun

    the new zone is what i would expect from the first leveling zone and looking at the 185 ilvl for starter character i have no doubt that everyone who has logged in a couple times now will be more than ready to go in and not die especially with season 4. This brings up the possibility of our endgame gear in SL lasting until 69.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    ret tree actually has choice and it kills me i cant have 3 of the bottom talents at once lol
    fire mage has some traits in weird places but looks like a really short combustion is possible even without a bunch of gear
    arcane just looks really fun

    the new zone is what i would expect from the first leveling zone and looking at the 185 ilvl for starter character i have no doubt that everyone who has logged in a couple times now will be more than ready to go in and not die especially with season 4. This brings up the possibility of our endgame gear in SL lasting until 69.
    I really like the focus on Execution Sentence. It's a cool spell and I like that they're making it a bigger part of Retri.

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    While I found the melee healing style pretty fun in SL, especially with divine toll, I do hope some kind of ranged build will be possible in DF. If they made a talent that made bestow faith heal instantly and maybe do damage on enemies too and have a lower cd that could replace crusader strike and offer a more ranged option.
    Yeah, Bestow Faith is just so... lacklustre. I don't know, that skill could be so much more than what it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh they are bringing eagle mounts finally. My Highmountain Tauren will appreciate that a lot Now give Highmountain Paladins!
    I would prefer Highmountain Warlocks. There's precedent with the Feltotem, and it would serve to distinguish them from baseline Tauren.

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    Hopefully we will actually get the regular brown Highmountain eagles, and not just these new ones.
    Blizzard has avoided giving us the regular eagle ever since Legion. They had the chance with Highmountain rep, secrets, emissary, and even the unique hunter mount, but no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    I would prefer Highmountain Warlocks. There's precedent with the Feltotem, and it would serve to distinguish them from baseline Tauren.
    The endgame is to have all classes for all races (besides Evoker because it makes no sense for other races, although they could just use them for the visage form). There is literally no need to distinguish races with classes anymore tbh. Highmountains are blessed by Cenarius and coming from the Broken Isles - that's enough to make them unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    The endgame is to have all classes for all races (besides Evoker because it makes no sense for other races, although they could just use them for the visage form). There is literally no need to distinguish races with classes anymore tbh. Highmountains are blessed by Cenarius and coming from the Broken Isles - that's enough to make them unique.
    I'm definitely curious if they'll do that for DHs as well as there really doesn't seem to be a good story for that right now, especially for races like LF Draenei that weren't on Azeroth when DHs were first created. The rest of the classes I think could work (though a few might need some story to help them make sense), but I'm really not sure how you make any new race go through all the sacrifices & hardships DHs do without Illidan or the Legion acting as catalysts for it.

    Any word on whether they've added any story for any of the new race/class combos? I'd love to see a Tauren Rogue saying they've always been there or maybe an Orc starting to learn about how to wield the Light as an intro for the new combos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I'm definitely curious if they'll do that for DHs as well as there really doesn't seem to be a good story for that right now, especially for races like LF Draenei that weren't on Azeroth when DHs were first created. The rest of the classes I think could work (though a few might need some story to help them make sense), but I'm really not sure how you make any new race go through all the sacrifices & hardships DHs do without Illidan or the Legion acting as catalysts for it.

    Any word on whether they've added any story for any of the new race/class combos? I'd love to see a Tauren Rogue saying they've always been there or maybe an Orc starting to learn about how to wield the Light as an intro for the new combos.
    Not sure about Orc Priests but there are actually quite a few Elven Shamans on the Dragon Isles (even though they aren't playable yet 'cause they need to design the totems first). I would say they will sprinkle the new class/race combos into the game when it makes sense. Also we always had Outlaw Tauren pirates in the game since vanilla.

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    What is the folks opinion on the new loading screen with Alex and the crew?

    Particularly the identity of the Green dragon in their visage form in the back. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it is Merithra (based on her taking a lead role in the Green flight's story), or whether it is Ysera (facial markings, horns, and moon-crest-thing are a dead giveaway, but why would they have her revival plastered on a loading screen unless it's a loading screen for after her revival?).

    There are also some datamined weapons with Ysera's name in the file-name which seem to match this figure's armour.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Not sure about Orc Priests but there are actually quite a few Elven Shamans on the Dragon Isles (even though they aren't playable yet 'cause they need to design the totems first). I would say they will sprinkle the new class/race combos into the game when it makes sense. Also we always had Outlaw Tauren pirates in the game since vanilla.
    There is also Mishka, the SI:7 Draenei rogue (uses Stealth and has Energy as a resource, is part of an intelligence organization consisting largely of rogues).
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    Don't forget that file names aren't always accurate (see all the old stuff for the forsaken with "Scourge" in them, for example).

    Also just because they're on a loading screen doesn't mean they're actually super important. I mean, look at Shadowlands. Margrave Krexus suuuure was important, huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    What is the folks opinion on the new loading screen with Alex and the crew?

    Particularly the identity of the Green dragon in their visage form in the back. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it is Merithra (based on her taking a lead role in the Green flight's story), or whether it is Ysera (facial markings, horns, and moon-crest-thing are a dead giveaway, but why would they have her revival plastered on a loading screen unless it's a loading screen for after her revival?).

    There are also some datamined weapons with Ysera's name in the file-name which seem to match this figure's armour.
    I think it would be pretty weird to hype up Merithra's struggles with her new role as leader of the dragonflight as a central part of the story ever since the Dragonflight reveal (and before, such as when she went to Alexstrasza for advice) only to have Ysera come back and take over again, that's my take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Don't forget that file names aren't always accurate (see all the old stuff for the forsaken with "Scourge" in them, for example).

    Also just because they're on a loading screen doesn't mean they're actually super important. I mean, look at Shadowlands. Margrave Krexus suuuure was important, huh.
    True true. Could be a symbolic thing with all 5 "acceptable" leaders posing.
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    [QUOTE=Lady Atia;53860226]Or we bring her back during the pre-patch, hence her being on the loading screen during launch wouldn't spoil anything. Besides that, the interesting part isn't that she is coming back (we already know that from the epilogue), but how and what sacrifice we have to give.

    Hmm, wouldn't Tyrande be a good guess here? Like, Tyrande switched from vengence for redemption. If the time-skip is a thing, I can see a scenario in which the new seed from Ardenweald has been planted and thus peace brought back to the night elves. Tyrande mission is therefore essentially over, and she can sacrifice her life to bring Ysera back as she may have a purpose to serve. Life for life - balance must be maintained Also, it's a good opportunity to develop Elune's theme. We have seen that both moons got a visual upgrade (that might be a reach on my side), but I can imagine it being done because Elune themes intensify. I'd much prefer to go with "magical" ways rather than pure Titans, as that's more into fantasy imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    What is the folks opinion on the new loading screen with Alex and the crew?

    Particularly the identity of the Green dragon in their visage form in the back. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it is Merithra (based on her taking a lead role in the Green flight's story), or whether it is Ysera (facial markings, horns, and moon-crest-thing are a dead giveaway, but why would they have her revival plastered on a loading screen unless it's a loading screen for after her revival?).

    There are also some datamined weapons with Ysera's name in the file-name which seem to match this figure's armour.
    I think people are reading way too much into this.

    It's just a fancy loading screen portraying each big Flight character, Ysera being on it does not entail anything that we don't already know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AngerFork View Post
    I'm definitely curious if they'll do that for DHs as well as there really doesn't seem to be a good story for that right now, especially for races like LF Draenei that weren't on Azeroth when DHs were first created. The rest of the classes I think could work (though a few might need some story to help them make sense), but I'm really not sure how you make any new race go through all the sacrifices & hardships DHs do without Illidan or the Legion acting as catalysts for it.

    Any word on whether they've added any story for any of the new race/class combos? I'd love to see a Tauren Rogue saying they've always been there or maybe an Orc starting to learn about how to wield the Light as an intro for the new combos.
    IIRC, at the end of Legion, it's stated they can make new DH, similar to DK's without Arthas. Could be remembering wrong though. The bigger problem for them would be to animate all the other skeletons for their animations, which I'm not sure Blizzard is willing to do.

  17. #64897
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post

    Hmm, wouldn't Tyrande be a good guess here? Like, Tyrande switched from vengence for redemption. If the time-skip is a thing, I can see a scenario in which the new seed from Ardenweald has been planted and thus peace brought back to the night elves. Tyrande mission is therefore essentially over, and she can sacrifice her life to bring Ysera back as she may have a purpose to serve. Life for life - balance must be maintained Also, it's a good opportunity to develop Elune's theme. We have seen that both moons got a visual upgrade (that might be a reach on my side), but I can imagine it being done because Elune themes intensify. I'd much prefer to go with "magical" ways rather than pure Titans, as that's more into fantasy imo.
    Isn't part of the thing in the Dragon Isles about the seed and seeking out Ysera's daughter for help? I don't think it'd have been planted yet.

    Like I said above, loading screens aren't always indicative, unless Margrave Krexus had more than three appearances before dying that I'm not aware of.

  18. #64898
    Quote Originally Posted by Auxis View Post
    What is the folks opinion on the new loading screen with Alex and the crew?

    Particularly the identity of the Green dragon in their visage form in the back. I've seen conflicting opinions on whether it is Merithra (based on her taking a lead role in the Green flight's story), or whether it is Ysera (facial markings, horns, and moon-crest-thing are a dead giveaway, but why would they have her revival plastered on a loading screen unless it's a loading screen for after her revival?).

    There are also some datamined weapons with Ysera's name in the file-name which seem to match this figure's armour.
    I just hope it's Merithra and the Artist took some creative freedom with it or knows details with her we don't. Just replacing her would be pretty stupid and cruel.

  19. #64899
    Quote Originally Posted by Plehnard View Post
    I just hope it's Merithra and the Artist took some creative freedom with it or knows details with her we don't. Just replacing her would be pretty stupid and cruel.
    It's clearly Merithra. Ysera's elf (not sure if its even supposed to be a night elf. It has night elf tattoos but its a blood elf model) form is green & purple. I guess I never thought of it before but if they chose their visages millennia ago as suggested by the Chromie Story why are so many of them High elves? Those didn't exist back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    I think people are reading way too much into this.

    It's just a fancy loading screen portraying each big Flight character, Ysera being on it does not entail anything that we don't already know.
    Well yeah, could be true. But then again, why would they bother to re-create her appearance in human form, once it's already been established in the past?
    We know Nozdormu's previous appearance and it has barely changed, and yet he is probably being set up for something big this expansion - so why would they put Ysera with a completely different look if they had no bigger plans for her? Also, my money is still on Merithra.

    Also I'm pretty tired of Ysera, to be honest her plot was never really that much of a fun; I don't think they were ever able to build a proper emotional engagement with that character. She dies in Legion, mkay - but it's the emotional music in cinematic that makes it dramatic. And then we have her 'rebirth' in Shadowlands - have anyone actually been waiting for that moment, I mean... she didn't do much in SL. Just scrap that character and let the concept of death be an actual death. Replace her with her daughter and give her a new, unique, exciting story.
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