1. #65041
    Quote Originally Posted by unfunnymeme View Post
    Being limited in the amount of content available =/= being limited in the methods to approach that content.
    Again, the speed at which it is consumed is not the dev's issue, it's the player's. This authoritarian crap of forcing people to wait for things because you don't think they need to experience it at their own pace is bad. Put it out, let people do what they want. If people want to throw on a tabard and sit on their ass in dungeons till they literally die like hardcore brothers in Asia do it, then let them do it.
    You have always had both. And it very much is the dev's issue when the players keep complaining about it. Your assumption that it is the player's right to dictate to the devs how the game is to be played is just as bad.

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    So 3 days until the next build I'm guessing warrior will be the next reveal with holy pally

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    if its not warrior talents im gonna kermit the frog off a rooftop

  4. #65044
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I personally don't care but that seems like an odd decision. LFR is Fated as well, right? Why be tryhard about a season that's supposed be taken seriously to begin with.
    Normal mode is tryhard now?

    Umm....

  5. #65045
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Normal mode is tryhard now?

    Umm....
    Anything that's not random que is considered tryhard for some reason. There's many normal groups that don't require any achievements of any kind, and I'll guarantee you most of these groups do way better than the usual LFR groups.

  6. #65046
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Normal mode is tryhard now?

    Umm....
    The point is why restrict it

    The blue post response mentioned the moose runs but for those you needed one boss while this requires 30 on a weekly rotation

    A more accurate comparison would be the 15th anniversary mount which was lfr

  7. #65047
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Normal mode is tryhard now?

    Umm....
    No, but I meant it was more of a tonal miss. They've gone on about how this was just an experimental season. Just seems weird in turn when everything is more lax to make normal a requirement for arbitrary reasons. Especially when they've had months now to clarify this issue.

    The cynical side of me definitely thinks they waited to maximize sub extensions and future token sales. But I am not willing to derail this thread with that discussion.

  8. #65048
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    The point is why restrict it
    To encourage people forming groups I imagine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    No, but I meant it was more of a tonal miss. They've gone on about how this was just an experimental season. Just seems weird in turn when everything is more lax to make normal a requirement for arbitrary reasons. Especially when they've had months now to clarify this issue.

    The cynical side of me definitely thinks they waited to maximize sub extensions and future token sales. But I am not willing to derail this thread with that discussion.
    Maybe they are experimenting with getting more people to raid at least normal mode? Is that so out there in left field? Also what do sub extensions have to with anything? The 'gating' aspect of this is the exact same, as you would need to wait for each raid to be fated regardless if it was LFR or normal...

    I don't get the genuine negativity towards having to do normal vs lfr. The experience in a normal run is 9/10 times going to be more fun and positive for the player than LFR ever was or would be. And it's not like normal is hard or anything, ESPECIALLY since these raids are the NERFED versions of them and the affixes are basically buffs to make it even easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Anything that's not random que is considered tryhard for some reason. There's many normal groups that don't require any achievements of any kind, and I'll guarantee you most of these groups do way better than the usual LFR groups.
    Also bolded and QFT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurkan View Post
    Anything that's not random que is considered tryhard for some reason. There's many normal groups that don't require any achievements of any kind, and I'll guarantee you most of these groups do way better than the usual LFR groups.
    I think that's absolutely true. But that's not the problem.
    Not everyone can slot enough time to do a full raid. Which means you'll have to find another group that starts at a different point. None of these raids is particularly small. Unless it is pathetically easy, it will still take a couple of hours or more to run per raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Looks like they turned it into a regular mount.

    In the long run this is a positive: we can actually keep using it after Dragonflight. All Dragonriding mounts are forever bound to Dragon Isles only.

  11. #65051
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think that's absolutely true. But that's not the problem.
    Not everyone can slot enough time to do a full raid. Which means you'll have to find another group that starts at a different point. None of these raids is particularly small. Unless it is pathetically easy, it will still take a couple of hours or more to run per raid.
    You want to play a MMORPG, but you can't even set aside 2 hours a week for something that you want?
    Not trying to judge, but that sounds like a time management thing. And even so, there are ALWAYS pugs that are half-way through the raid almost at any point I ever search LFG for something, so if you can only do the first 4 at one sitting, then look (or make one? gasp!) a pug that is where you left off..

  12. #65052
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Maybe they are experimenting with getting more people to raid at least normal mode? Is that so out there in left field? Also what do sub extensions have to with anything? The 'gating' aspect of this is the exact same, as you would need to wait for each raid to be fated regardless if it was LFR or normal...

    I don't get the genuine negativity towards having to do normal vs lfr. The experience in a normal run is 9/10 times going to be more fun and positive for the player than LFR ever was or would be. And it's not like normal is hard or anything, ESPECIALLY since these raids are the NERFED versions of them and the affixes are basically buffs to make it even easier.
    They've tried that for over a decade now, have they not? And I imagine its never worked. I don't know why slime cat would be different.

    And yes, they announced the change right after they released a six month mount so very plausible that was one of the reason

    On a personal level, I have no issues doing normal raids. Although I mostly do M+ these days. I have met plenty of people who just don't enjoy trying to PUG due to their own social anxieties. People can have their opinions at that as they will, but it seems weird to alienate those people over a purely cosmetic reward that had zero prestige in the community prior to the announcement it was normal+ reward only a day ago.

    At the end of the day, its hard for me to rationalize this decision as anything less than scummy. And coming from a terrible expansion where Blizzard should be happy to have people even still subbed, its just all around a poor choice imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    You want to play a MMORPG, but you can't even set aside 2 hours a week for something that you want?
    Not trying to judge, but that sounds like a time management thing. And even so, there are ALWAYS pugs that are half-way through the raid almost at any point I ever search LFG for something, so if you can only do the first 4 at one sitting, then look (or make one? gasp!) a pug that is where you left off..
    A lot of people cannot set aside several UNINTERRUPTED hours per week, yes.

  14. #65054
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    They've tried that for over a decade now, have they not? And I imagine its never worked. I don't know why slime cat would be different.

    And yes, they announced the change right after they released a six month mount so very plausible that was one of the reason

    On a personal level, I have no issues doing normal raids. Although I mostly do M+ these days. I have met plenty of people who just don't enjoy trying to PUG due to their own social anxieties. People can have their opinions at that as they will, but it seems weird to alienate those people over a purely cosmetic reward that had zero prestige in the community prior to the announcement it was normal+ reward only a day ago.

    At the end of the day, its hard for me to rationalize this decision as anything less than scummy. And coming from a terrible expansion where Blizzard should be happy to have people even still subbed, its just all around a poor choice imo.
    I mean I feel weird here I feel like Im in a position where I'm defending Blizz..Yeah they are scummy as shit and yeah I don't have high (or much of any) expectations from them, but I just don't see how you can tie this random in-game mount that you get for beating the new raids as some ploy to boost the 6mo sub sales..

    The amount of reaching you are doing to get there is a bit much. The time requirement is the exact same should it be LFR or mythic raiding it has zero to do with the sub.

    Also if you all are really scared of trying to pug a normal (which will be piss easy) feel free to DM me here and we can exchange Bnets I run an AOTC guild I can get you in on a clear for free at some point if it would otherwise mean you can't get it on your own.

    Assuming they don't change it to include LFR as well that is

  15. #65055
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    May be something for a later patch. The recent Dragonriding post by Blizzard again repeated there being four dragon mounts, not five, so I figured something like this wasn't in the cards, at least initially.
    Yeah no, I really hope tf not. This should be a launch award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Looks like they turned it into a regular mount.

    In the long run this is a positive: we can actually keep using it after Dragonflight. All Dragonriding mounts are forever bound to Dragon Isles only.
    Maybe you haven't been reading correctly in regards to interviews, but they're not forever bound to the Dragon Isles, and there was CLEARLY customization and whatnot planned for the Serpent.

    To do this would be to ruin the uniqueness of having a 5th, badass max lvl Serpent Dragonriding mount.

    And NOW they are nerfing Soar to the ground. Seems Bobby saw WoW players were starting to have fun again...

    Fuck ass Blizzard.

  16. #65056
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I mean I feel weird here I feel like Im in a position where I'm defending Blizz..Yeah they are scummy as shit and yeah I don't have high (or much of any) expectations from them, but I just don't see how you can tie this random in-game mount that you get for beating the new raids as some ploy to boost the 6mo sub sales..
    I would have zero issue with it if it wasn't already in the game file on live added it 9.2.5 which says you can get the achieve on ANY difficulty.

    The amount of reaching you are doing to get there is a bit much. The time requirement is the exact same should it be LFR or mythic raiding it has zero to do with the sub.
    Umm. Not what I was referring to at all. Lets just pretend they clarified that slime cat would be normal + only back in June before the 6 month sub for the Greatwyrm was announced, do you think its plausible that less people would of renewed? If yes, then you agree with me.


    Also if you all are really scared of trying to pug a normal (which will be piss easy) feel free to DM me here and we can exchange Bnets I run an AOTC guild I can get you in on a clear for free at some point if it would otherwise mean you can't get it on your own.
    Already explained my concern is not for myself. I tank pugs on M+ which is way worse than anything you will endure pugging a normal raid. But please feel free to be to kind to LFR players who feel left out. If the community were more like that then these things would be complete non-issues

    Assuming they don't change it to include LFR as well that is
    And quite honestly, I think they probably will at the last cycle of fated raids before DF launches. But again that's just my cynicism speaking.

  17. #65057
    This shit like "them making it a normal mount is a positive" is a stupid fucking argument considering we'll only be UTILIZING DRAGONRIDING throughout the Dragon Isles, which is our current content and is the whole point of us adventuring and navigating through the expac.

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    Soar getting nerfed actually fucking tilts me holy shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Looks like they turned it into a regular mount.

    In the long run this is a positive: we can actually keep using it after Dragonflight. All Dragonriding mounts are forever bound to Dragon Isles only.
    Yeah, totally, just as Artifact weapons could never be used for transmog and were legion content only weapons. Wait a minute ...

    But honestly, they prolly just removed that stuff because they either want to hide their "surprise 5th dragonflight mount that you can unlock with the campaign that's hidden and not playable on alpha" or simply not needed for the mount (the awesome sitting animation for example, no other mount can do that so there is sadly no reason to have it on the player mount).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Looks like they turned it into a regular mount.

    In the long run this is a positive: we can actually keep using it after Dragonflight. All Dragonriding mounts are forever bound to Dragon Isles only.
    Do we know the latter part of your post for certain?

    That appears like such a strange technical limitation when I would assume its just the matter of slapping on a very generic animation to DR mounts.

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