Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aucald]

AFAIK, this is the first leak we have of post-Raid content. The quest storyline ends with the Vault opening, so unless the max-level campaign takes place during the raid this is our first real leak of what should be encrypted content.

Which, in my view, also makes this reveal a bit more sketchy than the rest.

[Cheezits]

On an arguably more interesting note, the Decay Gnoll dungeon boss pulls a Xymok and runs away from her fight. Heavy implications that Decay will be the theme of a future patch and may tie into whatever was going on with Galakrond turning gross and Death-y.

https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...PxwQlPZamMASyA

[Cheezits]

Also, if there is a Decay patch, that may be why we need Ysera back: it could take place in the Dream and they wanted a dragon character to be the main guide.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Lol RiP Bozo! Did fuck all since Cata.

Better then randomly offed but........still kinda a waste.

[Feali]

Also, if there is a Decay patch, that may be why we need Ysera back: it could take place in the Dream and they wanted a dragon character to be the main guide.

Well... I mean there has to be some kind of reason why they bring her back. Can't just be fan service because no one is asking for this.

[Auxis]

Are there any new ability/spell ranks in the spellbook for 60-70? Or is it pretty much a 'the talent points are the reward' kinda deal this expansion?

[huth]

Are there any new ability/spell ranks in the spellbook for 60-70? Or is it pretty much a 'the talent points are the reward' kinda deal this expansion?

The talent system should be replacing that entirely. Past level 10, you mostly only get out of combat utility stuff like buffs or rezzes from leveling directly.

[Tartys]

I would much rather see Merithra become Aspect in Ysera's stead, as Kalecgos did when Malygos was killed. Not only would I prefer Malfurion not to be stuffed in the proverbial cooler, but having Ysera snap back to life also cheapens her death in Legion even more than her continued existence in Ardenweald did.

My optimistic hope here is that this turn in the story is placeholder Alpha plot stuff that will get revised in Live. We'll see, I suppose.

I agree about Ysera and Meritha.

Ysera might have appeared in some form to her daughter in the Emerald Dream, thus making the Dream a sort of link between Andervald and Azeroth.

She basically remained dead in Azeroth but a presence in the Emerald Dream. So in that way the story mortifies both Ysera death and her daughter's life (even if by now we dotn know whats happen to her and why Tyrande call back Ysera).

About Malfurion, poor fellow never really had a role in this game... will we notice its absence?

[Kiria]

Looks like Tinker has finally been fully incorporated into the engineering profession, Sorry to the guys who wanted it.



Credit to Soulsobreezy for the image.

[Aucald]

Looks like Tinker has finally been fully incorporated into the engineering profession, Sorry to the guys who wanted it.

https://i.imgur.com/MlScB6S.png

Credit to Soulsobreezy for the image.

Tinkers have been a part of Engineering for a long time now, with items like the rocket boosters or goblin hang glider you can apply to certain pieces. Don't know if that necessarily supplants the proposed Tinker class, though.

[Teriz]

Looks like Tinker has finally been fully incorporated into the engineering profession, Sorry to the guys who wanted it.



Credit to Soulsobreezy for the image.

Eh, I woudn't say that incorporates the Tinker concept.

Keep in mind, we know Dark Rangers were incorporated into Hunters because the Hunter class got specific Dark Ranger items, and abilities like Black Arrow, and Wailing Arrow, and because Dark Rangers themselves were considered Hunters.

In this case, Engineering is still missing specific abilities associated with the concept, like Rock-it turret, Deth Lazor, and Robo Goblin. Also, the image you linked above appears more along the lines of the verb Tinker as opposed to the noun.

As I stated before, if there is a technology-based class, it won't be called Tinker. It'd probably be called something along the lines of Mechanic or Machinist, and incorporate races beyond just Goblins and Gnomes.

[AngerFork]

Looks like Tinker has finally been fully incorporated into the engineering profession, Sorry to the guys who wanted it.



Credit to Soulsobreezy for the image.

I'm curious to see how this turns out. If done right, this could be the start of a way to incorporate profession-based subclasses into the game. Imagine a Warrior that could drop turrets via Engineering or have an auto healer going via an Alchemical auto-potion. Perhaps a Mage who can boost their spells by inscribing certain words of power into their incantations or is able to set their spells to explode whenever by putting them into Gems that can burst at the press of a button.

[Teriz]

Yall would do anything for a Tinker class huh?

It's less needed than it used to be (thanks to the DE), but there's still open design space for it. We have rather extensive technology themes in the game, and no class that reflects those themes or support the races that use that theme.

[Nymrohd]

Looks like Tinker has finally been fully incorporated into the engineering profession, Sorry to the guys who wanted it.

Engineering enchants have been called tinkers since Cataclysm where we also had the cogwheel system.

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I agree about Ysera and Meritha.

Ysera might have appeared in some form to her daughter in the Emerald Dream, thus making the Dream a sort of link between Andervald and Azeroth.

She basically remained dead in Azeroth but a presence in the Emerald Dream. So in that way the story mortifies both Ysera death and her daughter's life (even if by now we dotn know whats happen to her and why Tyrande call back Ysera).

About Malfurion, poor fellow never really had a role in this game... will we notice its absence?

They did not know how to use Malfurion. He was supposed to be super powerful but they were afraid to make proper use of him. The wisp wall he erected was definitely amazing (and if the Night Elves and the Alliance had not been hit by the idiot bat in order for the War of Thorns to work, someone would have turned Sylvanas into a pincushion as she was struggling and barely could contain the wall so her forces could pass through). In Cata Azshara herself attacked Darkshore so as to distract Malfurion in order for Ragnaros and Deathwing to attack Hyjal.

Malfurion was simply in a league of his own. The solution was not to depower him but to simply give the Horde people who could be his equals. Thrall could before they decided to retire him, Sylvanas could have naturally been developed to that level, the blood elves should have had at least one magister that was close to Azshara's (and thus Malfurion's) level and the trolls absolutely can produce someone of that skill (Vol'jin is likely heading there).

AS for Merithra it's a shame to have her running to mother. Her quests in BfA were solid and she was on her way to become an aspect just like Kalecgos did, just like Wrathion will try. Instead she is being replaced by an established character who has had a proper arc that finished properly.

[Worldshaper]

Tinker is a verb. The class is called Tinkerer. A Tinkerer tinkers, but the fact that an engineer also tinkers doesn't mean that a Tinkerer cannot exist.

[Kiivar86]

Tinker is a verb. The class is called Tinkerer. A Tinkerer tinkers, but the fact that an engineer also tinkers doesn't mean that a Tinkerer cannot exist.

Unit in Warcraft 3 was Tinker, however.

And now I've seen the word Tinker enough times it looks strange to me. Tinker. heh.

[Worldshaper]

Unit in Warcraft 3 was Tinker, however.

And now I've seen the word Tinker enough times it looks strange to me. Tinker. heh.

Hm, you are right. Blizzard seems inconsistent on this. If you search Tinker or Tinkerer on Wowpedia, you'll get a bunch of hits on both.

[Raetary]

Hm, you are right. Blizzard seems inconsistent on this. If you search Tinker or Tinkerer on Wowpedia, you'll get a bunch of hits on both.

It's not that Blizzard is inconsistent, its that Tinker is both a noun and a verb.

Tinker and Tinkerer are interchangable.

[Worldshaper]

It's not that Blizzard is inconsistent, its that Tinker is both a noun and a verb.

Tinker and Tinkerer are interchangable.

So are Warrior and Fighter, yet Blizzard manages to stick with one.

[Alanar]

About Malfurion, poor fellow never really had a role in this game... will we notice its absence?

I would say no. I mean honest question did you even thought about him before we knew this ysera malfurion bit?

He hasnt done anything remotely cool to make me remember him in a fond way.. legion malfurion is still stuck with me. Also he has winged arms that he cant use, everything about him screams loser to me.