Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

The toys were great, the world was objectively better simply because it was connected and easily navigable (you could take an fp to Highmountain and toy glide anywhere then whistle back; compare to taking an fp to another zone in SL and forgetting you were playing WoW while alt-tabbed).

You tabbed out in Legion too then. FPs aren't taking any longer in SL.

[Raetary]

You tabbed out in Legion too then. FPs aren't taking any longer in SL.

But they are mandatory, while Legion had a uniform and compact region in which you can fly all over yourself and had an accessible and quick portal network thanks to Dalaran. (+ class halls if your class had them)

If you want to go from Ard to Rev you need to take a flight path.
You can only reduce your travel time by upgrading your transport network for the Oribos portal.

Which took fucking ages to unlock when the expansion came out, while Dalaran had its hearthstone and portal room from day 1.

[Cheezits]

From a gameplay perspective I really liked Shadowlands. I got Veilstrider and Jigglesworth both, lots of world content to do and Torghast was fun (for my class). I also liked all three raids.

Patch cadence was bad and the story was meh. But the actual game stuff was good to me.

I did do all four covenants though. I know a lot of people didn't.

[Skildar]

I had this idea that if they ever wanted to revamp Outland (as in revamp and replace, Cata Style) they could have Yrel or whoever shift AU Draenor and Superimpose it on Outland. We'd get AU Draenor plus some version of the Netherstorm. Ashran could regretably be lost in the transition . . . Maybe Zangarmarsh would land on top of the Zangar Sea and stay (cause sporelings are fun). Then the Light would be launching their Shining Crusade from there instead of some poorly conceived planar concept for a Plane of Light.

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Beyond the fact that Legion's problematic systems did not last long, I think you are underselling how good a sell class halls and artifact cosmetics were. Class Halls were full of poorly used characters we all wanted to see more of (and then less, go home Liadrin). The toys were great, the world was objectively better simply because it was connected and easily navigable (you could take an fp to Highmountain and toy glide anywhere then whistle back; compare to taking an fp to another zone in SL and forgetting you were playing WoW while alt-tabbed). Meanwhile the SL mogs are not class specific and in many cases your best Covenant would not really fit your class theme (or NO Covenant would fit your class theme); also imo they are just not of the same quality as the ones from Legion. Really the only standout covenant hall feature is the Ember Court?

I've had a bit if fun with the maldraxxus stitch factory but you can guess it was meant to be way more than what we got. I'm pretty sure that the original design was for you to choose body parts and body types and attach souls to them, making the conversations with souls more than just a lore funky bit.

Honestly the only thing that has disappointed me is the mission table because the very first iteration (WoD) was definitely the best one with its mechanics though the reward balance for shadowlands is very good and probably the best even.

[Berkilak]

From a gameplay perspective I really liked Shadowlands. I got Veilstrider and Jigglesworth both, lots of world content to do and Torghast was fun (for my class). I also liked all three raids.

Patch cadence was bad and the story was meh. But the actual game stuff was good to me.

I did do all four covenants though. I know a lot of people didn't.

Now that Veilstrider is giving me an excuse to revisit the "old" Shadowlands content, and all the timegating is over with, I am finding the content very enjoyable. It was the structure that they slotted the content into that was horrible.

But let's take that a step further - imagine if this setting wasn't so far removed from WoW's core tone. What if we did the Silvermoon Court instead of the Ember Court and actually invited characters we care about in a setting we're already invested in? What if the Abomination Factory was in Undercity, solving the issue of procreation? What if Torghast was instead the Caverns of Time, visiting randomized timelines? What if the Covenants were actual factions we know and care about, like the Earthen Ring, Argent Crusade, Cenarion Circle, Wyrmrest Accord and the like?

The bones of a great expansion were there. They were just misused.

[infinitemeridian]

SL quick review for me. Classes were fun, legendaries and tier kept things interesting, dungeons and raids were solid. Mage tower coming back was great as well. Torghast was decent, but the aesthetic got old quick.

However, the zones and "feel" was just complete off. Oribos was a horrible hub, both aesthetically and getting around. Cosmetics were good, but the anima grind to get them all was and STILL is way WAY too much. There's just too much overloaded in there as well. We didn't need like 5 recolors for each covenant set, covenant progress should have been across all covenants (bar the unique event like the court) and characters, anima and all currencies like stygia should be account wide WITHOUT having to send across characters at a loss.

[Feali]

The bones of a great expansion were there. They were just misused.

The same goes for WoD honestly.

[Nymrohd]

You tabbed out in Legion too then. FPs aren't taking any longer in SL.

No I didn't. The flights were very short so I did not have a reason to. Dalaran to Obsidian Overlook, my usually starting point for gliding, was a short flight over terrain so I'd usually pull the map up and plan the order I'd clear my world quests with. Sinfall to Ardenweald was mostly spend zooming in the In-Between so ofc I'd tab out.

[Varodoc]

I...I think that's edited in lol

Whether that was edited in or not is irrelevant because I have already seen at least one thread here that claimed that Turalyon was "ruthless" and "possessive", when he decided to put the Dracthyr under strict scrutiny. Consider this a reminder that Turalyon did nothing wrong (hence why his people agree with his policies).

So this community has this misconception that the Dracthyr should be respected and treated as equals by Stormwind, which is completely contradictory and illogical with the lore.

[huth]

No I didn't. The flights were very short so I did not have a reason to. Dalaran to Obsidian Overlook, my usually starting point for gliding, was a short flight over terrain so I'd usually pull the map up and plan the order I'd clear my world quests with. Sinfall to Ardenweald was mostly spend zooming in the In-Between so ofc I'd tab out.

I just checked. Turns out your "short flight" is almost the same time as the supposed long SL flight.

[Sondrelk]

The same goes for WoD honestly.

Really WoD and SL are diametric opposites in many ways. Both lack the one thing the other has in abundance. WoD had amazing zones and storylines the player wanted to visit, and SL has towering piles of content for all the zones. Combine the two and you have probably one of the best expansion WoW could have made.

[Makabreska]

Oh shit! The Ring of Blood is back!

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gurgtho...nflight-328325

So many fond memories of grouping up and defeating these elites back in the days.

[Feali]

Oh shit! The Ring of Blood is back!

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gurgtho...nflight-328325

So many fond memories of grouping up and defeating these elites back in the days.

Now THAT is great news!

[Nymrohd]

Let's see if it requires any grouping.

[Skildar]

Let's see if it requires any grouping.

I truly hope so!
If they want to add solo challenges, they know that players will expect these with the Brawler's guild

[Xilurm]

I remember being pretty scared of those quests when I first played the game.

[Izalla]

Let's see if it requires any grouping.

I forgot it even existed after Cata because I don't remember having to group up for anything after that. I actually don't remember it being anywhere but WoD and under much easier, non grouping circumstances, post Cata. I hope this one is like the TBC/Wrath/Cata days.

[Berkilak]

The same goes for WoD honestly.

Yep. I still love garrisons... in concept. It's the execution that was problematic. Yet, they tossed out the baby with the bathwater.

[Makabreska]

Yep. I still love garrisons... in concept. It's the execution that was problematic. Yet, they tossed out the baby with the bathwater.

Not really, considering mission tables and followers remained for next 3 expansions. And with how much Blizz had to convince people that it wont be such a free source of loot and gold again, no wonder they ditched Garrisons.

[MightyWarrior]

In the build tonight, a few classes are being given a few new animations

Warrior, Warlock, Demon Hunter