Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[tristannarutofan]

Rumour has it the developer in charge of Druid and Priest left the company, which would explain the absence of anything substantial.

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Different developers are essentially given free reign to develop the classes. The hunter and shaman one does that by being active in the forum's, answering questions. The rogue one I hear is fairly active on the discord, just not in making blueposts, and the druid and priest one is supposedly no longer with the company.

It's extremely annoying to anyone not playing one of the lucky classes like hunter, but at least it makes it blatantly obvious which developers get praise and which ones don't, and how to fix it.

What is your source on this?

[Sondrelk]

What is your source on this?

Forgotten where exactly, but on the official forums at least, most likely the Community Council. It's easy to tell for the class designers as they are very clearly different people operating completely differently in how they approach class design in DF.

The druid/priest developer thing is just a rumour though. Some streamer has been talking to some developers who supposedly claimed it to be the case.

[Sweetdeal]

Do we know, if Beta starts soon? Since I missed the Alpha deadline for F&F =(

[Sondrelk]

Do we know, if Beta starts soon? Since I missed the Alpha deadline for F&F =(

Likely when the Alpha cycles are finished. Think there were 6, of which we are currently at 3 or 4.

[Nymrohd]

Likely when the Alpha cycles are finished. Think there were 6, of which we are currently at 3 or 4.

Pretty sure we are at 5 and going on 6 tomorrow actually.

[Fentawow]

Some bigger streamers hinted start of September for beta.

Regarding what sondrelk was saying on priest Druid dev I heard the same thing on multiple streams but those are more RWF people like Max, Naowh, etc. it sounded like it did happen but was not fully confirmed and the person took a leave of absence.

But yeah rogue and dh dev has been pretty active in those discord as soliciting feedback on design etc. which has been met very well.

Sounds like monk this week and DH was pushed back to the week after.

Edit: it is worth noting that there is a lead dev on each tree and a few others that help support. So kinda weird that no priest or Druid changes have been pushed through.

[Nyel]

Pretty sure we are at 5 and going on 6 tomorrow actually.

Yep, we're at stage 5 now. Their initial plan was to unlock a new stage every week, so stage 6 tomorrow seems likely, it musn't be the case though when development goals have changed during the course of testing (as said in their blue post).

[Berkilak]

They are referenced as dragons in multiple occasions. Nalak is specifically called a storm dragon, they are called dragons in the Koak short story, Yu'lon's temple has an area called "Terrace of the Twin Dragons", the mount journal notes "Heavenly Crimson Cloud Serpents are considered to be among the noblest of dragons."

Cloud serpents are intelligent and many of them speak with us. Perhaps they are the Life-based evolution of proto dragons where Aspects are the arcane version.

They don't even have wings.

They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.

And let's be completely real: the only reason the Pandaren named anything after dragons is not because of their awareness of the dragons of Azeroth or connections between cloud serpents and dragons, but because they look like real-world Asian dragons. It's a crack in the fourth wall.

[huth]

They don't even have wings.

They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.

And let's be completely real: the only reason the Pandaren named anything after dragons is not because of their awareness of the dragons of Azeroth or connections between cloud serpents and dragons, but because they look like real-world Asian dragons. It's a crack in the fourth wall.

Nether Dragons are an offshoot of Black Dragons.

[Raetary]

They don't even have wings.

They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.

Nether Dragons are by the Nether twisted Black Dragons.

If you want a proper example, Spirit Darters are referred to by everyone as Faerie Dragons, but they are not actually Dragons just look like them.

[Berkilak]

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...rdragons.shtml

These Nether Dragons are not.

Coming from this mission:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Gat...(WC3_BloodElf)

They were coming in from outside Outland.

Although Reforged did retcon them, so perhaps they are a poor example.

[huth]

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...rdragons.shtml

These Nether Dragons are not.

Coming from this mission:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Gat...(WC3_BloodElf)

They were coming in from outside Outland.

Although Reforged did retcon them, so perhaps they are a poor example.

Frankly, i wouldn't use anything from WC3 as evidence if later sources contradict it. A lot of stuff wasn't nailed down back then. Besides, Black Dragons also come from outside Outland.

[Dracullus]

I know 9.2.7 is technical patch, but I wonder if they'll sneak some questline tomorrow.

Also I hoped for some news on Gamescom - Beta, promotion, release date, but when I search internet it looks like Acti-Blizzard won't be there at all (although I can't find direct source of that info).

[Makabreska]

DF talents can be changed anywhere and w/o any tomes:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/change-...oadouts-328327

[Berkilak]

Frankly, i wouldn't use anything from WC3 as evidence if later sources contradict it. A lot of stuff wasn't nailed down back then. Besides, Black Dragons also come from outside Outland.

There's a difference between draconic beings on Outland turning out to be the former black dragons and dragon-like beings from outside Outland turning out to be former black dragons. The former makes sense. The latter does not. It's not exactly contradicted... more forgotten, than anything, with a (minor) plot hole being created in the process. Like the distinction between the Undead and Blood Elves being allied with the Horde as opposed to being members of the Horde - the new stable of writers lost that bit in translation, making for some pretty blatant plot holes for people that are actively paying attention.

[Raetary]

DF talents can be changed anywhere and w/o any tomes:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/change-...oadouts-328327

Rip Inscription.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Meanwhile:

Man. The art for a lot of those books was terrible...

[BaumanKing]

Man. The art for a lot of those books was terrible...

This isn't terrible. This is an artistic vision. Not all art has to be photorealistic.

[Feali]

Rip Inscription.

Honestly, besides Darkmoon Cards and maybe Vantus Runes, what do they do now?

[huth]

There's a difference between draconic beings on Outland turning out to be the former black dragons and dragon-like beings from outside Outland turning out to be former black dragons. The former makes sense. The latter does not. It's not exactly contradicted... more forgotten, than anything, with a (minor) plot hole being created in the process. Like the distinction between the Undead and Blood Elves being allied with the Horde as opposed to being members of the Horde - the new stable of writers lost that bit in translation, making for some pretty blatant plot holes for people that are actively paying attention.

You're using purely circumstantial evidence to conclude they aren't from Outland to begin with. The portals could just lead to a different part of it. Outland is partially in the Nether anyway, so them coming from the Nether isn't saying much.

And TBC does directly contradict them being Demons or native to the Nether.