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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    They are referenced as dragons in multiple occasions. Nalak is specifically called a storm dragon, they are called dragons in the Koak short story, Yu'lon's temple has an area called "Terrace of the Twin Dragons", the mount journal notes "Heavenly Crimson Cloud Serpents are considered to be among the noblest of dragons."

    Cloud serpents are intelligent and many of them speak with us. Perhaps they are the Life-based evolution of proto dragons where Aspects are the arcane version.
    They don't even have wings.

    They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.

    And let's be completely real: the only reason the Pandaren named anything after dragons is not because of their awareness of the dragons of Azeroth or connections between cloud serpents and dragons, but because they look like real-world Asian dragons. It's a crack in the fourth wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    They don't even have wings.

    They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.

    And let's be completely real: the only reason the Pandaren named anything after dragons is not because of their awareness of the dragons of Azeroth or connections between cloud serpents and dragons, but because they look like real-world Asian dragons. It's a crack in the fourth wall.
    Nether Dragons are an offshoot of Black Dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    They don't even have wings.

    They are referenced as dragons, yes, but that's more of a point of comparison than an actual connection. Illidan also faced off against Nether Dragons in Outland that weren't actual dragons but creatures from the Twisting Nether (likely demonic in origin). They were only called dragons as a point of comparison.
    Nether Dragons are by the Nether twisted Black Dragons.

    If you want a proper example, Spirit Darters are referred to by everyone as Faerie Dragons, but they are not actually Dragons just look like them.



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    http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...rdragons.shtml

    These Nether Dragons are not.

    Coming from this mission:

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Gat...(WC3_BloodElf)

    They were coming in from outside Outland.

    Although Reforged did retcon them, so perhaps they are a poor example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...rdragons.shtml

    These Nether Dragons are not.

    Coming from this mission:

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Gat...(WC3_BloodElf)

    They were coming in from outside Outland.

    Although Reforged did retcon them, so perhaps they are a poor example.
    Frankly, i wouldn't use anything from WC3 as evidence if later sources contradict it. A lot of stuff wasn't nailed down back then. Besides, Black Dragons also come from outside Outland.

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    I know 9.2.7 is technical patch, but I wonder if they'll sneak some questline tomorrow.

    Also I hoped for some news on Gamescom - Beta, promotion, release date, but when I search internet it looks like Acti-Blizzard won't be there at all (although I can't find direct source of that info).

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    DF talents can be changed anywhere and w/o any tomes:

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/change-...oadouts-328327
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Frankly, i wouldn't use anything from WC3 as evidence if later sources contradict it. A lot of stuff wasn't nailed down back then. Besides, Black Dragons also come from outside Outland.
    There's a difference between draconic beings on Outland turning out to be the former black dragons and dragon-like beings from outside Outland turning out to be former black dragons. The former makes sense. The latter does not. It's not exactly contradicted... more forgotten, than anything, with a (minor) plot hole being created in the process. Like the distinction between the Undead and Blood Elves being allied with the Horde as opposed to being members of the Horde - the new stable of writers lost that bit in translation, making for some pretty blatant plot holes for people that are actively paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    DF talents can be changed anywhere and w/o any tomes:

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/change-...oadouts-328327
    Rip Inscription.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    DF talents can be changed anywhere and w/o any tomes:

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/change-...oadouts-328327
    k cool

    Not sure why this wasn't the case since Day fucking 1...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    Meanwhile:

    Man. The art for a lot of those books was terrible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Man. The art for a lot of those books was terrible...
    This isn't terrible. This is an artistic vision. Not all art has to be photorealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Rip Inscription.
    Honestly, besides Darkmoon Cards and maybe Vantus Runes, what do they do now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    There's a difference between draconic beings on Outland turning out to be the former black dragons and dragon-like beings from outside Outland turning out to be former black dragons. The former makes sense. The latter does not. It's not exactly contradicted... more forgotten, than anything, with a (minor) plot hole being created in the process. Like the distinction between the Undead and Blood Elves being allied with the Horde as opposed to being members of the Horde - the new stable of writers lost that bit in translation, making for some pretty blatant plot holes for people that are actively paying attention.
    You're using purely circumstantial evidence to conclude they aren't from Outland to begin with. The portals could just lead to a different part of it. Outland is partially in the Nether anyway, so them coming from the Nether isn't saying much.

    And TBC does directly contradict them being Demons or native to the Nether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    Honestly, besides Darkmoon Cards and maybe Vantus Runes, what do they do now?
    Rep contracts, leggo missives and still glyphs.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    Honestly, besides Darkmoon Cards and maybe Vantus Runes, what do they do now?
    Glyphs, contracts and missive for leggos.

    Though glyphs are a one and done thing that almost nobody ends up revisiting once they chose their desired cosmetic.
    And both missive and contracts are gonna be gone in DF.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Glyphs, contracts and missive for leggos.

    Though glyphs are a one and done thing that almost nobody ends up revisiting once they chose their desired cosmetic.
    And both missive and contracts are gonna be gone in DF.
    So my statement still stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    k cool

    Not sure why this wasn't the case since Day fucking 1...
    Same reason you can't just reconfigure your D&D character in the middle of a session.

    Its an RPG thing. It doesn't make sense for the character to just completely relearn their character on the spot.

    It also kind of eliminates the point of talents.Why even have talents if you can just swap to whatever's optimal at any moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myradin View Post
    Same reason you can't just reconfigure your D&D character in the middle of a session.

    Its an RPG thing. It doesn't make sense for the character to just completely relearn their character on the spot.

    It also kind of eliminates the point of talents.Why even have talents if you can just swap to whatever's optimal at any moment.
    You could swap to whatever is optimal at any moment for several expansions now, due to tomes.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    This isn't terrible. This is an artistic vision. Not all art has to be photorealistic.
    She looks more like a monkey than an elf.

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