Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[unfunnymeme]

WoD still has, IMO, the best leveling questing experience and the best continent in WoW's history. All zones are magnificent.

Of course story wise it was ridiculous, and again they made the expansion without thinking in the consequences. I still remember a lot of discussion back then about how the fuck the Legion of that world knew our Azerothian heroes, and they came with that shit that the Legion was one across all universes.

Still, it was easier to pull than SL and it could have been an amazing expansion and even a good story, but they just abandoned it.

SL is better as an expansion, but for me it feels worse overall. I actually enjoyed WoD quite a lot. And story-wise, SL basically killed Warcraft lore, and the mere existence of the Shadowlands has by far more long reaching consequences than WoD.

People that think WoD's story was overly bad just didn't understand the lore of the universe.
Alternate timelines have always been a thing that just kind fizzled out over time. There not being multiple Legions makes plenty of sense too, because the Nether is another plane. If there's infinite Sargerases across time, why wouldn't there be infinite Norgannons seeing this fact and stopping them? It would be incredibly stupid to have beings of this power existing in multiple instances.

People are just too smallminded and don't comprehend stuff. WoD's story was acceptable, and better than SL for the fact that it didn't shitcan all previous lore and soft-reboot the universe like SL did.

[Darkarath]

People that think WoD's story was overly bad just didn't understand the lore of the universe.
Alternate timelines have always been a thing that just kind fizzled out over time. There not being multiple Legions makes plenty of sense too, because the Nether is another plane. If there's infinite Sargerases across time, why wouldn't there be infinite Norgannons seeing this fact and stopping them? It would be incredibly stupid to have beings of this power existing in multiple instances.

People are just too smallminded and don't comprehend stuff. WoD's story was acceptable, and better than SL for the fact that it didn't shitcan all previous lore and soft-reboot the universe like SL did.

Completely agree with your last paragraph, not so much with the first. One Legion for all universes was at the time an excuse as they did not think about that or definitively that was how it looked. IMO it makes no sense. The Legion would then be invencible or irrelevant.

[unfunnymeme]

Completely agree with your last paragraph, not so much with the first. One Legion for all universes was at the time an excuse as they did not think about that or definitively that was how it looked. IMO it makes no sense. The Legion would then be invencible or irrelevant.

You have to understand that there isn't multiple universes. Only specific moments within the universe, happening at multiple times, then fading from existence.
It makes sense the magical planes don't really experience this phenomena. They're infinite planes of a specific magical nature. There's infinite demons, but the Legion was never ALL demons, only what Sargeras had bound to his control.

[Sondrelk]

The single Legion across infinite universes is absurd on so many levels. Just consider how it makes any sense that Mannoroth resurrected, then went back to Draenor to die again. Is this happening infinite times across the multiverse? What about when he gets resurrected by Gul'dan? Does he have to take some time away from his busy being killed schedule to get resurrected?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The single Legion across infinite universes is absurd on so many levels. Just consider how it makes any sense that Mannoroth resurrected, then went back to Draenor to die again. Is this happening infinite times across the multiverse? What about when he gets resurrected by Gul'dan? Does he have to take some time away from his busy being killed schedule to get resurrected?

It’s kinda explained in the illidan novel that the legion shows up when ever there is a time line created to destroy it If the bronze dragons don’t get to it first as they are dimensions which are small on there own when compared to the real great dark and aren’t an actual full universe.

So pretty much archamound and manneroth wanted a do over of kil’jaden’s plan to see if they could get more assets instead of just destroying them, which kinda worked with Gul’dan.

Of course none of this is reflected in game because it’s likely something they came up with afterwords to explain why it made no sense.

[Darkarath]

You have to understand that there isn't multiple universes. Only specific moments within the universe, happening at multiple times, then fading from existence.
It makes sense the magical planes don't really experience this phenomena. They're infinite planes of a specific magical nature. There's infinite demons, but the Legion was never ALL demons, only what Sargeras had bound to his control.

I think that it was in ''Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects'', were they deal a little bit with alternative timelines, calling our line the true line, if I recall correctly, very much in line with Marvel's movies multiverse. And I do not know about specific moments within the universe, as for example the Draenei of WoD came from Argus, so there is a story there, another planet, and hence probably another entire universe. In fact I am pretty sure that Blizzard will double down on this multiverse, some datamined DF scenarios point in this direction, plus they could take the chance to make a reset after DF with a world revamp, for example:

''Oh no, Azeroth is going to be born and she is corrupted !! Let's do some weird time magic to go back to Azeroth when it was only one continent !! Only you, heroes, will recall what happened and why we have to do this, change the past so we can save Azeroth in the future !!''.

Like this only our planet will be affected and no our universe, so they can keep exploring the cosmos whenever they want in the point that we left it. But meh, a lot of trouble if they do something like that, probably they would make a mess like SL.

[Reive]

Is the ptr still up?

[Shakzor]

Wod got off easy then having to deal with a global pandemic affecting their workforce.

Are you maybe mistaking WoD with another xpac? WoD was 2014

[unfunnymeme]

I think that it was in ''Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects'', were they deal a little bit with alternative timelines, calling our line the true line, if I recall correctly, very much in line with Marvel's movies multiverse. And I do not know about specific moments within the universe, as for example the Draenei of WoD came from Argus, so there is a story there, another planet, and hence probably another entire universe. In fact I am pretty sure that Blizzard will double down on this multiverse, some datamined DF scenarios point in this direction, plus they could take the chance to make a reset after DF with a world revamp.

They have thankfully actually solidified the fact that there is only ONE universe, and all the other AU's are little spinups in time that just fade away eventually if left unaltered by the main universe.
One decent contribution to the lore from Mr. Anuser, I guess.

[Kiivar86]

When it comes to WoD, it was the first expansion to make me actually unsub. I had been subbed straight since launch but WoD burnt me out hard.

Legion was similar actually, though I returned for Argus.

Shadowlands I've remained, at the least.

[Padwarle]

Is the ptr still up?

Retail PTR? I don't see why it wouldn't be.

[Darkarath]

They have thankfully actually solidified the fact that there is only ONE universe, and all the other AU's are little spinups in time that just fade away eventually if left unaltered by the main universe.
One decent contribution to the lore from Mr. Anuser, I guess.

Sounds like a lame excuse made up by Blizzard to not think too much in the mess that they did with WoD, so I take your word for it. But calling WoD a small spinup in time when it at least had thousands of years of history and implies various planets and travelling seems fucked up. WoD had different things than our Draenor, or different relations between characters, so it could not be a focused moment of our universe that went a little different, it has years and years of events.

[Gurahk]

Basically the timeline of WoD was was just a what-if that wouldn't had happened if Kairoz didn't use the gateway to there. By entering that realm (and through other bronze dragon shenanigans) they connected it to the Main Universe, and through that became a part of "reality".

[unfunnymeme]

Sounds like a lame excuse made up by Blizzard to not think too much in the mess that they did with WoD, so I take your word for it. But calling WoD a small spinup in time when it at least had thousands of years of history and implies various planets and travelling seems fucked up. WoD had different things than our Draenor, or different relations between characters, so it could not be a focused moment of our universe that went a little different, it has years and years of events.

It had what the people within it thought were years. But they aren't even real people, they're a branch off from their main universe counterpart. The WoD Draenei's memories of Argus are real, but they didn't actually experience it. Kairoz found this one little spin up and solidified it with his and Garrosh's actions. That timeline existed for 30-something years because of Garrosh.

[huth]

Sounds like a lame excuse made up by Blizzard to not think too much in the mess that they did with WoD, so I take your word for it. But calling WoD a small spinup in time when it at least had thousands of years of history and implies various planets and travelling seems fucked up. WoD had different things than our Draenor, or different relations between characters, so it could not be a focused moment of our universe that went a little different, it has years and years of events.

You do realise it had been going on for decades before we went there?

[Darkarath]

It had what the people within it thought were years. But they aren't even real people, they're a branch off from their main universe counterpart. The WoD Draenei's memories of Argus are real, but they didn't actually experience it. Kairoz found this one little spin up and solidified it with his and Garrosh's actions. That timeline existed for 30-something years because of Garrosh.

Do not know man, I think that we are speculating here. The fact is that WoD's Draenor still exists, and probably a whole universe with it. Hopefully they will address some of this in DF.

You do realise it had been going on for decades before we went there?

What do you mean? WoD's Draenor? That is what I am saying.

[Makorus]

WoD is a a different universe, and just that. We didn't even time travel, really, because it is a different universe. It doesn't matter if it still exists, because it isn't relevant anymore, and the main universe and the WoD universe aren't linked anymore.

The only thing that is vaguely confusing about WoD is the logistics of "There is only one Burning Legion", because it kinda doesn't make sense in terms of the Draenei fleeing to Draenor.

The Knaak series of books are way more offensive in terms of timetraveling, yet people jerk his shitty "literature" off whenever they can.

[Gurahk]

WoD is a a different universe, and just that. We didn't even time travel, really, because it is a different universe. It doesn't matter if it still exists, because it isn't relevant anymore, and the main universe and the WoD universe aren't linked anymore.

The only thing that is vaguely confusing about WoD is the logistics of "There is only one Burning Legion", because it kinda doesn't make sense in terms of the Draenei fleeing to Draenor.

The Knaak series of books are way more offensive in terms of timetraveling, yet people jerk his shitty "literature" off whenever they can.

They are linked, the gateway just isn't open anymore. Xe'ra somehow getting in touch with the Draenei there implies they're still part of the main reality, time is just distorted there due to bronze dragon shenanigans.

[Raetary]

It doesn't matter if it still exists, because it isn't relevant anymore

It set up an antagonistic and actively conquering Naaru army and forceful Light conversion, Draenors orc refugees are literally a horde AR.
Yrel and her army coming to Azeroth is a popular topic of discussion and is brought up everytime anything related to the Light is brought up.

AU Draenor is very much still relevant, whether people like it or not.

[Makabreska]

WoD is a a different universe, and just that. We didn't even time travel, really, because it is a different universe. It doesn't matter if it still exists, because it isn't relevant anymore, and the main universe and the WoD universe aren't linked anymore.

The only thing that is vaguely confusing about WoD is the logistics of "There is only one Burning Legion", because it kinda doesn't make sense in terms of the Draenei fleeing to Draenor.

The Knaak series of books are way more offensive in terms of timetraveling, yet people jerk his shitty "literature" off whenever they can.

It kinda is, or rather, it will be, when we will eventually get Light expansion. Yrel with LF Garrosh will defo be there, and they will bring others.

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It set up an antagonistic and actively conquering Naaru army and forceful Light conversion, Draenors orc refugees are literally a horde AR.
Yrel and her army coming to Azeroth is a popular topic of discussion and is brought up everytime a topic of anything related to the Light is brought up.

AU Draenor is very much still relevant, whether people like it or not.

Ye, I member people spazing out, when they saw Maghar AR quest line. Like srsly, is it bad story telling, seeing Yrel w/o Velen guidance being misled and used by the Naaru?