Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

The idea that every single feature needs to be a challenge is precisely the issue with WoW and it's playerbase in general.
Something cannot simply exist for fun; people need to be better than somebody else at it, and things need to be difficult.

It's a video game. An MMO at that, and the genre is thriving off "casual" content and people just vibing.
Features existing for the sake of just being there for everybody to have a good time is important, and something that the game has lacked.
LFR existing does not mean it's fun or engaging content.

And luckily Dragon Flying is fun and engaging content, and has potential to be evergreen if they keep expanding on it and bring it into future zones with new mount skeletons.

If you want to pretend like flying around really good matters, sign up for player run races or something.

Not everything needs to be challenging, but simultaneously you don't need to make everything "required".

So far it seems Dragonriding is made easy solely to make it work as an easy core mechanic for everyone, rather than an optional movement option for those who enjoy it.

It's the same arguments we had with flying. You shouldn't remove it because it makes content difficult, you should remove it because it's an easy cheat for those who don't want to be involved in open world content. There already exists summoning stones that removes the need for most players to engage with open world content, you don't need to add another thing that trvializes open world content in order to make it even easier to get to instances.

In short: Why do we need to make Dragonriding easy? Or rather, why do we need to make Dragonriding this trivial?

[Gurahk]

That is AU Xera or her equivalent.

The Naaru aren't part of the alternate universe nonsense, just like the Legion.

[Rhlor]

Forget about Sabellian or Wrathion, Vazallia should become the next Aspect.
https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...85793059725313

she is one of saberlian's followers, she may be vice aspect

Sabellian gives his dragons days off! another reason to be the leader black dragonflight

[Raetary]

The Naaru aren't part of the alternate universe nonsense, just like the Legion.

They are though, K'ara exists in both MU and AU.

[Nyel]

Honestly, Wrathion should not become Aspect. He's unfit, too tempered and just not old or experienced enough.

[Gurahk]

They are though, K'ara exists in both MU and AU.

And I'm gonna assume that either got overlooked, retconned or explained in a silly manner.
AU stuff has been explained to only apply to mortals and 'Reality'. All of the cosmos are outside of 'Reality'.

[Izalla]

Our Outland is dying too, so it could be that Draenor's fate is to be destroyed in all realities. But as I said before we are just especulating here, although the only fact is that WoD's Draenor still exists, and I guess that if the Draenei over there build a space ship they could go back to Argus or other planets, I do not think that there is a wall of magic around Draenor that limits that universe to only one planet, but who knows.

Our Outland is dying because got torn apart and is soaking in nether juice. But maybe it is fate that AU Draenor is suffering from being in the same reality is Outland. I don't think there actually is another Argus though. There isn't actually a "whole other universe" connected to Draenor. I think Blizz even confirmed it is just a pocket dimension that was tacked onto our universe (as an explanation for why there isn't an extra Azeroth in that universe).

[Raetary]

There isn't actually a "whole other universe" connected to Draenor. I think Blizz even confirmed it is just a pocket dimension that was tacked onto our universe (as an explanation for why there isn't an extra Azeroth in that universe).

They confirmed the opposite.

[Lahis]

They confirmed the opposite.

That is Afrasiabi interview, so it is pretty much null and void about anything at this point.

[Makabreska]

That is Afrasiabi interview, so it is pretty much null and void about anything at this point.

Are they changing lore he created, because he is no more?

[Biomega]

Are they changing lore he created, because he is no more?

It wouldn't be surprising.

But it also doesn't matter, because Blizzard can and will retcon with a sledge hammer as much as they want if something really doesn't fit their future vision. "We always thought X but turns out, actually Y!" Done, move along, there's nothing we can do.

[Cheezits]

That is Afrasiabi interview, so it is pretty much null and void about anything at this point.

Not true. Blizzard does not delete lore, they rename it if tied to a sexpest.

The lore may never ever be brought up again about Alt Azeroth but it has not been deconfirmed. But considering it doesn't exist in game or is ever mentioned it may as well not be canon, as it isn't relevant (unless Yrel and Exarch Garrosh recruit some alt Azeroth characters)

[Darkarath]

They confirmed the opposite.

Interesting find. So the ''pocket dimension'' of AU Draenor is another universe until we get confirmation on the contrary. I hope that they address this topic in DF.

[Worldshaper]

Why has this thread turned into a boring conversation about Warlords of Draenor?

[Makorus]

I don't think people realize what an "Universe" is.

Azeroth is not an universe. Draenor is not an universe.

[Darkarath]

I don't think people realize what an "Universe" is.

Azeroth is not an universe. Draenor is not an universe.

What we are saying is that WoD's Draenor belongs to its own universe, now that we have confirmation that Azeroth also exists in WoD's Draenor planetary system, is pretty much a confirmation of a new entire universe (which Blizzard probably will never touch again, but until we get new info, there are at least two different universes).

[Lady Atia]

I don't think people realize what an "Universe" is.

Azeroth is not an universe. Draenor is not an universe.

But our Azeroth is basically 616 while AU Draenor was basically 838.

[Raetary]

Interesting find. So the ''pocket dimension'' of AU Draenor is another universe until we get confirmation on the contrary. I hope that they address this topic in DF.

I mean, Danuser essentially just kept the multiverse thing going in Shadowlands.

If they didn't intend for the multiverse to be a thing (which, lets be honest, its a way to milk themes for expansion content, they are not gonna move away from that idea) then Danuser wouldn't have adressed AU souls in his weird thread and rope analogy from that one interview.

[Darkarath]

I mean, Danuser essentially just kept the multiverse thing going in Shadowlands.

If they didn't intend for the multiverse to be a thing (which, lets be honest, its a way to milk themes for expansion content, they are not gonna move away from that idea) then Danuser wouldn't have adressed AU souls in his weird thread and rope analogy from that one interview.

What did he say about AU souls? I missed that one.

[Raetary]

What did he say about AU souls? I missed that one.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shadowl...e-draka-318186

We’ve done some stuff that’s involved with time travel and alternate realities. What happens to those souls when they pass on? Do they go to the Shadowlands?

This is a complicated question. How do you deal with things like alternate Draenor? There was a Draka there. What is that Draka? Is she alive? Is she dead? Is she related to the Draka in Shadowlands that we see? Or is there another Draka? We know that in Warlords of Draenor, Velen of that universe died. Does that mean there is a Velen in the Shadowlands? But what about the Velen in Azeroth? All these things are very complicated questions.

The way I would have you think about it is think of a rope… If you look at a rope, it is one thing, right? It’s something that you can grab onto, you can hold it, you can see it; think of that as a character. Think of that rope as Draka or Velen.

If you look at that rope more closely, you can see there are different threads that make up the rope. There are different twines that pull together, and you can pull off one of these threads if you want. But it’s still a rope, and each of those threads you can think of as one of the realities of the character, one of the streams of time… There is a thread that is the Draka from Draenor we visited in the Warlords of Draenor. There is another thread that is Draka on Azeroth as we know her… And there are many other threads that could be other realities that we never peered into. But all of those threads at some time come together to make that rope. And remember also that, as you’ll see, that there are many characters in the Shadowlands when they refer to time, they usually say that time is not a construct of Death. Time and Death are not related. Death is about eternity, not linear time. The manner in which these threads come together, that can take a very long time from mortal perceptions. Those threads can be separated for a time, but sooner or later, they do combine to make one rope that is that character. You can think of it as the threads of that rope, all the individual threads, are just waiting. And over time, they will come together but they can exist as separate entities for a time. That still doesn’t change the fact that they are part of one rope.