Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

Nope. Blizz explicitly said that they give up and wont be trying to challenge WF raiders any more. Also, last three were actually tuned well, according to raiders. It was Halondrus and 2nd final boss Anduin combined with everything else.

We might see it, but likely just in Mythic, and even probably just with the last few bosses. I imagine Blizzard might be aiming for RWF being difficult by virtue of the bosses being completely untested on the PTR to ensure raiders need to adapt on the fly, rather than being difficult by just adding more mechanics to ensure raiders are still challenged with full knowledge.

Heroic is the difficulty I am the most concerned about. Mythic raiders are a tiny amount of the story layer population, whereas NM and HC are a fairly substantial amount, and the difficulty for those players is likely where Blizzard took the biggest hit.

[Lady Atia]

Nope. Blizz explicitly said that they give up and wont be trying to challenge WF raiders any more. Also, last three were actually tuned well, according to raiders. It was Halondrus and 2nd final boss Anduin combined with everything else.

This. The tuning of the bosses they didn't test was better than the others lol. The only real big issue was the Jailer Mythic shield in the last phase and they wouldn't have tested that anyways.

Also iirc they didn't really test the fated raids? Which also turned out quite ok tuning wise imo. It's just so much better if you have to go in blind the first week and figure out tactics on your own instead of being forced to either play ptr or watch videos from it.

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We might see it, but likely just in Mythic, and even probably just with the last few bosses. I imagine Blizzard might be aiming for RWF being difficult by virtue of the bosses being completely untested on the PTR to ensure raiders need to adapt on the fly, rather than being difficult by just adding more mechanics to ensure raiders are still challenged with full knowledge.

Heroic is the difficulty I am the most concerned about. Mythic raiders are a tiny amount of the story layer population, whereas NM and HC are a fairly substantial amount, and the difficulty for those players is likely where Blizzard took the biggest hit.

Which is the way to go honestly. It makes for a far better watch experience for the RtWF too - instead of seeing guilds perform their already rehearsed tactics including already finished weak auras (!) you will have guilds having to figure out what to do in a live environment.

[Darkarath]

When the Sylvanas cinematics leaked, she tweeted she had no idea.

I see. I searched for some info and it seems that Golden is no longer working for Blizzard (no longer part of the team, she will probably write more books).

But it is so terrible that they work like that. How can we have a decent story under these conditions?

Anyway, really excited to see Vengeance DH talent tree tonight, as I made a new account for SL and I am maining one.

Also Gamescom starts tonight right? I guess that we will get a Beta date for DF in the coming days and hopefully some extra surprise.

[Tartys]

Also Gamescom starts tonight right? I guess that we will get a Beta date for DF in the coming days and hopefully some extra surprise.

Activision Blizzard are not taking part of the Gamescom... or you mean during the Xbox event?

[Darkarath]

Activision Blizzard are not taking part of the Gamescom... or you mean during the Xbox event?

No? Ohhhh that is dissapointing

[Cosmicpreds]

So what are you guys hoping to see in tonight's Alpha build?

Here's the obvious, I guess:

- Demon Hunter talents.
- Final two dungeons.
- Raid testing.
- Any remaining professions specializations.
- Additions to the HUD update.

Here's what I'm hoping for on top of that:

- MUSIC!
- Surprise, Survival now has dual-wield!
- Alpha is now Beta, get a key as a Twitch drop.

Music is a big doubt, but who knows...

[Lady Atia]

Activision Blizzard are not taking part of the Gamescom... or you mean during the Xbox event?

That's so weird. I remember being there when they had the legion cafe .... without blizzard I wouldn't have got tickets for gamescom in the first place.

[Nyel]

No? Ohhhh that is dissapointing

That's so weird. I remember being there when they had the legion cafe .... without blizzard I wouldn't have got tickets for gamescom in the first place.

Gamescom is pretty boring this year, most major players are not attending; Activistion-Blizzard isn't, Nintendo isn't and afaik Sony isn't attending either. So there's nothing major to expect anyway. The new Assassin's Creed - if Ubisoft announces it - might be the biggest thing from Gamescom this year - and that's only a spin-off title and not a fully fledged AC.

[Tartys]

No? Ohhhh that is dissapointing

Yes, but now mostly Softco has its own conference, so events such as E3 or Gamescom are going out of date... and covid dont help.


Btw, looking at ther bio on twitter Golden is still:Blizzard employee... but maybe she is working on a different IP or at the book related to Dragonflight... as far i know she was working with the cinematic team

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I see. I searched for some info and it seems that Golden is no longer working for Blizzard (no longer part of the team, she will probably write more books).

But it is so terrible that they work like that. How can we have a decent story under these conditions?

Anyway, really excited to see Vengeance DH talent tree tonight, as I made a new account for SL and I am maining one.

Also Gamescom starts tonight right? I guess that we will get a Beta date for DF in the coming days and hopefully some extra surprise.

Unless there was another tweet golden clarified that when she said she had no idea about 9.2 she meant the ingame aspects not the story ones as she is not and has never been part of the ingame team and is on another supporting team which writes for all of blizzards games.

As per her Twitter she is also still at blizzard. https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristieGolden

[Darkarath]

Unless there was another tweet golden clarified that when she said she had no idea about 9.2 she meant the ingame aspects not the story ones as she is not and has never been part of the ingame team and is on another supporting team which writes for all of blizzards games.

As per her Twitter she is also still at blizzard. https://mobile.twitter.com/ChristieGolden

Oh I do not know. This is what I found in Google:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.1ne...140049%3famp=1

She wrote that tweet, then she erased it and wrote that she was talking about in game aspects, which I do not buy at all.

She also said in that tweet that she is no longer part of the WoW team, which is why I thought that she was not with Blizzard anymore.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Oh I do not know. This is what I found in Google:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.1ne...140049%3famp=1

She wrote that tweet, then she erased it and wrote that she was talking about in game aspects, which I do not buy at all.

She also said in that tweet that she is no longer part of the WoW team, which is why I thought that she was not with Blizzard anymore.

Look at the date of that article it came out in Nov when we got the 9.2 reveal which showed no story stuff, the sylvanas one came out in in Dec.

She’s also has never been on the wow team, here’s a tweet from 2018 about it.

I am not "in charge" of the WoW story. I don't even work for the WoW team, I work for CDev/SFD, where I interact with all the game teams. I do not direct where the game is going. I write cinematics, novels/novellas, song lyrics (Hearthstone yay) and comics,

https://mobile.twitter.com/christieg...98236299653120

[Darkarath]

Look at the date of that article it came out in Nov when we got the 9.2 reveal which showed no story stuff, the sylvanas one came out in in Dec.

She’s also has never been on the wow team, here’s a tweet from 2018 about it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/christieg...98236299653120

Thanks, that tweet clarifies things. I want to believe that there is an ongoing comminication between Golden and Danuser to help her write books.

[Lady Atia]

Thanks, that tweet clarifies things. I want to believe that there is an ongoing comminication between Golden and Danuser to help her write books.

The way these books are written is that the writers usually get an overview with characters and plot points that they have to follow through, although they are allowed to flash out and add stuff - although they have to ask for permission when they want to use certain characters. Christie f.e. had to ask for Calia to be used in BtS.

[Berkilak]

Thanks, that tweet clarifies things. I want to believe that there is an ongoing comminication between Golden and Danuser to help her write books.

Honestly, I think both should be using WoWpedia as a resource.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Honestly, I think both should be using WoWpedia as a resource.

Wowpedia has a lot of flaws rather they be info left out or people adding there own fanfic.

I’d dread to think that blizzard doesn’t have a more accurate data base.

[Berkilak]

Wowpedia has a lot of flaws rather they be info left out or people adding there own fanfic.

I’d dread to think that blizzard doesn’t have a more accurate data base.

At the very least, it is annotated so you can actually check on the validity of stuff. Much like Wikipedia, it's a great starting point. I doubt they have anything in-house. Or we wouldn't wind up with stuff like the Dragonmaw Clan showing up to a meeting that happened before the Orcs ever actually encountered dragons.

[Lady Atia]

At the very least, it is annotated so you can actually check on the validity of stuff. Much like Wikipedia, it's a great starting point. I doubt they have anything in-house. Or we wouldn't wind up with stuff like the Dragonmaw Clan showing up to a meeting that happened before the Orcs ever actually encountered dragons.

The dragonmaw are named after rylaks, not Azeroth's dragons.

[Berkilak]

The dragonmaw are named after rylaks, not Azeroth's dragons.

Rylaks didn't even exist until WoD. And the Dragonmaw Clan didn't even exist in the alternate Draenor. That is simply a clumsy retcon that was made because of these slip ups. Originally, the Dragonmaw Clan was put together by the Blackrock Clan as an elite force of the Horde's top shamans, dedicated to overseeing the new dragon-taming initiative. It did not exist until the Second War. No matter how many "Nelghor-Shomashs" you throw at it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

At the very least, it is annotated so you can actually check on the validity of stuff. Much like Wikipedia, it's a great starting point. I doubt they have anything in-house. Or we wouldn't wind up with stuff like the Dragonmaw Clan showing up to a meeting that happened before the Orcs ever actually encountered dragons.

The problem with wowpedia though is that you pretty much have to check every line of text for validity, nothing can be taken at face value because people will add random incorrect stuff in with canon stuff that you wouldn’t know is wrong if you didn’t check the sources your self and the citations are often really vague.

One example that comes to mind is the Cenarion Circle where it says that they are outside of the command of Tyranda and ruled by a council which includes Cenarius and has a link to a short story as a source. But if you read through the short story all it actually says is that they are outside the command of Tyranda and it never mentions any council let alone the fact that Cenarius is notable not part of the circle telling malfurion in Curse of the worgen that he will not join and will not lead and that it was up to malfurion and the others to make there own choices.

Some one randomly added the line about Cenarius being a leader and if you didn’t read the random worgen comic you wouldn’t even know it was wrong as his roll in the circle never comes up any where else and wowpedia likely has hundreds of things like that.