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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    You got one thing right, but I'm not whiny you're doing that with your definition of the Dracthyr by calling them geckos..

    I'm gonna stop responding to you now because dealing with a whiny little man child is not a priority of my things to do right now.
    Nah man, you just act childish because you dont like this opinion.
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    Do we expect a new build today? Maybe even a Beta announcement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Also, to go with a real life comparison - it's like saying you can't be japanese if you aren't a ramen cook or a samurai but lets say, a pizza baker. You know, classes are basically like real life jobs at this point and it makes literally 0 sense to prohibit any race from becoming any class after 20 years of working together with everyone against a handful of world ending threads.
    I can't get over the fact, that people so passionately make real-life comparisons to justify or debunk "high-fantasy" logic. These are completely two different things and most of the time, there's no overlap here. You know why it never works? Because I could have made an analogical argument to real life with tauren rogues - if you had to rob a bank, and wanted to choose the most fitting one for the role, assuming all are at the same skill, you wouldn't choose the biggest, but the most agile and slim. It's how common sense works. Tauren rogue breaks the identity for "working in shadows". It's comical.

    Not to say, I'm against it. I just want to point out that making real life comparisons to high-fantasy is usually stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealCincaid View Post
    Do we expect a new build today? Maybe even a Beta announcement?
    I'm hoping for the same. Beta announcement would be big

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    I can't get over the fact, that people so passionately make real-life comparisons to justify or debunk "high-fantasy" logic. These are completely two different things and most of the time, there's no overlap here. You know why it never works? Because I could have made an analogical argument to real life with tauren rogues - if you had to rob a bank, and wanted to choose the most fitting one for the role, assuming all are at the same skill, you wouldn't choose the biggest, but the most agile and slim. It's how common sense works. Tauren rogue breaks the identity for "working in shadows". It's comical.

    Not to say, I'm against it. I just want to point out that making real life comparisons to high-fantasy is usually stupid.
    What? You are aware that the so called "outlaw" spec exists? Tauren rogues are perfect for that alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Good fucking riddance Searing Nightmare.
    Honestly, Mind Sear isn't much better. AoE for Shadow Priests has always been a nightmare. I really would prefer them focusing more on AoE-Mindblast / AoE-DoTs and maybe one Idol specifically catered to that instead of the workarounds for Mind Sear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Honestly, Mind Sear isn't much better. AoE for Shadow Priests has always been a nightmare. I really would prefer them focusing more on AoE-Mindblast / AoE-DoTs and maybe one Idol specifically catered to that instead of the workarounds for Mind Sear.
    I do believe, making it cost insanity as a aoe dump that can now be much stronger will feel a lot better. On top of that there seem to be more ways to add dots and do better with aoe mindblast as more talent fuel the damage of it. It really doesnt look bad to me. I am just glad they remembered a time when shadow had other fun playstyles prior to voidform. I can only appriciate that as an oldschooler.

    The 2 gcd requirement to even start aoe as shadow is what made it annoying to use for many, that will be gone and we will be able to act much faster. Hopefully it will feel smooth.
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    There are no races that physically can't be a class. Mag'har is an identity, not DNA, and they can still use Fel, even if people ignore their story where Light is their Fel equivalent. It makes perfect sense that Mag'har would dip back into warlock magic if it meant repelling the Lightbound.

    LFD/Velf has been shown to have adverse effects to their opposite magic but again, nothing in game that shows them dying instantly when using it.

    More class combos in a short span of time means less uniqueness and cool lore, not that it isn't possible. It just means that if they added 6 druid races next expansion they likely are going to share druid forms or have lazier lore because it's not feasible to create 6 unique druid cultures and models in a single expansions dev cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    There are no races that physically can't be a class. Mag'har is an identity, not DNA, and they can still use Fel, even if people ignore their story where Light is their Fel equivalent. It makes perfect sense that Mag'har would dip back into warlock magic if it meant repelling the Lightbound.

    LFD/Velf has been shown to have adverse effects to their opposite magic but again, nothing in game that shows them dying instantly when using it.

    More class combos in a short span of time means less uniqueness and cool lore, not that it isn't possible. It just means that if they added 6 druid races next expansion they likely are going to share druid forms or have lazier lore because it's not feasible to create 6 unique druid cultures and models in a single expansions dev cycle.
    Mag'har are basically uncorrupted Orcs though and we know what happens to Orcs that stay long with Fel Magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    There are no races that physically can't be a class. Mag'har is an identity, not DNA, and they can still use Fel, even if people ignore their story where Light is their Fel equivalent. It makes perfect sense that Mag'har would dip back into warlock magic if it meant repelling the Lightbound.
    The problem with Mag’har using fel isn’t that they physically can’t it’s that if they did they would turn green removing the main visible reason to have them Split from normal orcs and if they are going to do that they might as well just make orcs one race where you can pick which racial you want As there’s bi reason a Mag’har rouge or warrior couldn’t be green as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The problem with Mag’har using fel isn’t that they physically can’t it’s that if they did they would turn green removing the main visible reason to have them Split from normal orcs and if they are going to do that they might as well just make orcs one race where you can pick which racial you want As there’s bi reason a Mag’har rouge or warrior couldn’t be green as well.
    It's worse with Draenei. A Draenei Warlock is breaking the core tenet that made him Draenei in the first place, so he'd just be an Eredar. Mag'har at least have no actual taboo against it, it would just slowly turn them into regular Orcs. A Draenei would lose their faction affiliation simply by taking up the mantle. Not sure how the Lightforged see it, though i imagine given that they fought the Legion for the last few thousand years, they still hold that tenet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It's worse with Draenei. A Draenei Warlock is breaking the core tenet that made him Draenei in the first place, so he'd just be an Eredar. Mag'har at least have no actual taboo against it, it would just slowly turn them into regular Orcs. A Draenei would lose their faction affiliation simply by taking up the mantle. Not sure how the Lightforged see it, though i imagine given that they fought the Legion for the last few thousand years, they still hold that tenet.
    As said previously, Draenei locks could simply be Eredar or other who want to come back after BL got rekt. Sure, taboo af, and plenty of Draenei would be pissed, but it can be done. We did accept DK's pretty much immediately, after all. Also, nelv mages got accepted ez, and arcane magic was also a big taboo in that society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    It's worse with Draenei. A Draenei Warlock is breaking the core tenet that made him Draenei in the first place, so he'd just be an Eredar. Mag'har at least have no actual taboo against it, it would just slowly turn them into regular Orcs. A Draenei would lose their faction affiliation simply by taking up the mantle. Not sure how the Lightforged see it, though i imagine given that they fought the Legion for the last few thousand years, they still hold that tenet.
    I’m not sure if it’s worse, you could argue that a Draenei warlock just hides that they are a warlock they would still be betraying every thing about the Draenei but no one would actually know unless they saw them in action kinda like how alliance/horde warlocks were more or less in hiding before cata.

    If they started turning red/were found out though then they would absolutely get the boot though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    I’m not sure if it’s worse, you could argue that a Draenei warlock just hides that they are a warlock they would still be betraying every thing about the Draenei but no one would actually know unless they saw them in action kinda like how alliance/horde warlocks were more or less in hiding before cata.

    If they started turning red/were found out though then they would absolutely get the boot though.
    You could maybe make them a horde race like how void elves were handled but it would be a very hard sell to let then be alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celement View Post
    You could maybe make them a horde race like how void elves were handled but it would be a very hard sell to let then be alliance.
    The horde doesn’t really seem to like warlocks any more and it seems unlikely orcs would want them around given the whole enslaved by the legion thing.

    The only way it would really work in either faction would be if people just didn’t know they were warlocks as unlike the DK’s joining who did every thing bad against there will the eradar we’re almost all willingly evil which paints a bad picture even if Draenei warlocks wouldn’t technically be eradar of the legion.
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    New build today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    As said previously, Draenei locks could simply be Eredar or other who want to come back after BL got rekt. Sure, taboo af, and plenty of Draenei would be pissed, but it can be done. We did accept DK's pretty much immediately, after all. Also, nelv mages got accepted ez, and arcane magic was also a big taboo in that society.
    Sure. My first thought on how it could work was simply having them tagged as Eredar and have unique customisation options. Basically they really just did give up their faction affiliation, or they could be ex-Legion now that things went bottoms up. Not sure DKs really work as a counterpoint; they're distrusted, but they were never as forbidden to begin with. Night Elf Mages are still Night Elves regardless of whether the Night Elf faction accepts them. They don't suddenly change race. Draenei are different in that it is not actually a race, but a faction and philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    New build today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
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    New priest when?????!!!
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