Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

So are they holding off on the ptr going up until they make the prepatch announcement

[Marlamin]

But yeah, without details it's quite hard to tell, let's hope they release a beta version for it soon.

There is a test version available on CurseForge (when/if it loads). Obviously will have some issues still, but should mostly work.

[Sondrelk]

So are they holding off on the ptr going up until they make the prepatch announcement

That seems a strong possibility.
Also possible they want to get enough info on classes to be able to say they are "done", and that only tuning remains to be tested.

Also possible they have not made the invasion framework to a complete enough state it can even be tested, hard to say.

[Lady Atia]

There is a test version available on CurseForge (when/if it loads). Obviously will have some issues still, but should mostly work.

Aww thanks!

[Lahis]

Did they change Spirit of Redemption? Also don't we have specific lore that says that the Spirit Healers of Azeroth were Val'kyr made by Odyn that went rogue and sided with neither him nor Helya? How about Anara?

Spirit Healers were retconned into being Kyrians, thus making Val'kyr offshoot of Kyrians.

[Nymrohd]

Spirit Healers were retconned into being Kyrians, thus making Val'kyr offshoot of Kyrians.

YEah I get it, still don't see what is gained by that retcon over the previous lore.

[Lahis]

YEah I get it, still don't see what is gained by that retcon over the previous lore.

Honestly out of all ox Shadowlands' lore crimes, giving an explaination to Spirit Healers, who have just been a Game Mechanic up to this point and all "lore" for them were either joke quest or handwaving, was the least of them.

[huth]

YEah I get it, still don't see what is gained by that retcon over the previous lore.

More than was lost. It's not even a contradiction to the Val'kyr thing; the Val'kyr going to the Shadowlands and becoming Kyrian Watchers would still be in line with what the Chronicle says. Mostly because it barely says anything.

[Makorus]

YEah I get it, still don't see what is gained by that retcon over the previous lore.

It preventing the plot hole of Kyrians being in charge of who passes onto the Afterlife and who doesn't, yet not actually being the Spirit Healers?

Having the Kyrian and the Spirit Healers be indepedent makes no sense. As soon as the Kyrians were revealed it made sense that the Spirit Healers are Kyrians.

Literally the only snippet of lore we have about Spirit Healers is the following:

Not all Val'kyr continued to follow Helya after Odyns defeat. Some of these spectral beings disappeared into the Shadowlands. The few who still retained a glimmer of nobility in their souls dedicated themselves to watching over the physical world. From within the Shadowlands, these Val'kyr would at times guide the dead back to the land of the living

Even then, that paragraph didn't necessarily get retconned. The Val'kyr that left Odyn could have gotten assimilated into the Kyrian ranks.

[Xilurm]

This is a good thing tho. The objectification of women is a problem that needs to be dealt with. The old Spirit Healer model was overtly and unnecessarily sexualized. Kyrians don't dress like that. So personally I like this change.

Really now? I wouldn't think so.



Look at those thighs, those ass cheeks sticking out. Maybe them Kyrians aren't as prude as you want them to be.

[Nymrohd]

More than was lost. It's not even a contradiction to the Val'kyr thing; the Val'kyr going to the Shadowlands and becoming Kyrian Watchers would still be in line with what the Chronicle says. Mostly because it barely says anything.

I still feel they should have done a better job in Shadowlands explaining the relations between the Nine, Devos, Mawsworn Kyrian and then Spirit Healers and Kyrian Watchers. I also would have liked to see what e.g. Kyrestia thinks of Odyn's scheme since he is effectively stealing souls from the Shadowlands (and souls that would mostly end up in Bastion and Maldraxus, not just random souls that would go beyond).

[huth]

I still feel they should have done a better job in Shadowlands explaining the relations between the Nine, Devos, Mawsworn Kyrian and then Spirit Healers and Kyrian Watchers. I also would have liked to see what e.g. Kyrestia thinks of Odyn's scheme since he is effectively stealing souls from the Shadowlands (and souls that would mostly end up in Bastion and Maldraxus, not just random souls that would go beyond).

In the grand scheme of things, that should be a pretty forgettable number. He only takes Vrykul souls for the most part, and only from a single planet. It's probably a small fraction of a %.

And they already didn't have enough focus for Zovaal. Wasting some more time on the Kyrians wouldn't have improved things.

[Xilurm]

I still feel they should have done a better job in Shadowlands explaining the relations between the Nine, Devos, Mawsworn Kyrian and then Spirit Healers and Kyrian Watchers. I also would have liked to see what e.g. Kyrestia thinks of Odyn's scheme since he is effectively stealing souls from the Shadowlands (and souls that would mostly end up in Bastion and Maldraxus, not just random souls that would go beyond).

So, hold on... Are the Val'kyr dead Vrykul that went to the Shadowlands and became Kyrian Watchers and then Odyn took them or did Odyn take their souls before they even went there?

[Sondrelk]

So, hold on... Are the Val'kyr dead Vrykul that went to the Shadowlands and became Kyrian Watchers and then Odyn took them or did Odyn take their souls before they even went there?

Val'kyr are either rogue Kyrians, Vrykul ascended by Odyn, or created by the Lich King.
The info surrounding them has definitely been a bit confusing, but that is the gist of it as of this moment. None of the three really have anything to do with eachother beyond Odyn and the Lich King emulating Kyrians on their own.

[Nymrohd]

So, hold on... Are the Val'kyr dead Vrykul that went to the Shadowlands and became Kyrian Watchers and then Odyn took them or did Odyn take their souls before they even went there?

I don't think they were even dead. He killed Helya to create a proto-Eyir; someone that can transform worthy female Vrykul into Valkyr. We see living Vrykul get transformed by Eyir during Legion (Hyrja). We don't know if Eyir sacrificed herself first to gain that power or if by that point Odyn knew how to empower an existing Valkyr to convert other mortals into one. Or maybe she was just another Titanic Watcher that was transformed just like Helya and the difference between them and other Val'kyr is the origin. Don't even know how he powers the entire process; it's not anima so is it Arcane? Is it Holy (Tyr used Holy magic after all)?
The Valarjar however ARE created from the dead with Odyn's Valkyr circumventing Kyrian Watchers (and Spirit Healers) to judge souls AND bear them to the Halls of Valor where Odyn Ascends them.

[Makorus]

So, hold on... Are the Val'kyr dead Vrykul that went to the Shadowlands and became Kyrian Watchers and then Odyn took them or did Odyn take their souls before they even went there?

The first batch of Val'kyr were unwilling Vrykul that were transformed by Odyn, through Helya, against their will, so they could bolster Odyns numbers.

The second (and current, I guess) are trained Vrykul who are chosen by Eyir to ascend. They also kinda skip the whole "being judged" thing and take dead warriors straight to the Halls of Valor.

The Scourge ones are entirely different, they are Vrykul twisted by the Lich King into being Val'kyr... somehow? They never really expanded upon that.

[Sondrelk]

The first batch of Val'kyr were unwilling Vrykul that were transformed by Odyn, through Helya, against their will, so they could bolster Odyns numbers.

The second (and current, I guess) are trained Vrykul who are chosen by Eyir to ascend. They also kinda skip the whole "being judged" thing and take dead warriors straight to the Halls of Valor.

The Scourge ones are entirely different, they are Vrykul twisted by the Lich King into being Val'kyr... somehow? They never really expanded upon that.

Some of the Val'kyr are presumably early rogue Kyrians. Specifically the Nine that helped Sylvanas, going by how they are dressed in Mawsworn attire and use Kyrian themed weapons.

[Raetary]

So, hold on... Are the Val'kyr dead Vrykul that went to the Shadowlands and became Kyrian Watchers and then Odyn took them or did Odyn take their souls before they even went there?

The latter.

Odyn got the knowledge on how to create his own version of ascended by peering past the veil and making a deal with Mueh'zala.

[Xilurm]

Alright, thanks guys. I'm less confused now.

[Makorus]

Some of the Val'kyr are presumably early rogue Kyrians. Specifically the Nine that helped Sylvanas, going by how they are dressed in Mawsworn attire and use Kyrian themed weapons.

Dunno.

All but two of them get resurrected as Mawsworns because they died prior, so I thought it had something to do with that.