1. #66781
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Just ignore the guy... like everyone else.
    ROFL, I like that quick ban. He quickly approaches scarecrowz lvl of ban reaction.
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  2. #66782
    Quote Originally Posted by tristannarutofan View Post
    Fact is rvery race Can be every class and there is no reason to think otherwise. What class restrictions represented is what was COMMON. A gnome paladin is possible, but with their culture its unlikely.

    And indeep players tend to enforce these things. Most ppl pick lf draenei to be paladins or priests, most ppl pick nightborne to be mages. A few ppl being tauren rogues doesnt stop that. Its just confirmation bias. Zero gnome druids before so any new ones are more obvious. But the majority of certain races are stilll their prefered classes
    Yeah I think that was pretty always established even back in vanilla. With some instances of certain combos only being possible by rare exceptions. But its also important to remember that in vanilla your origin was very specific to certain narrative. So restrictions made more sense from a cultural point of view.

    That and some races hadn't even come in contact with one another yet. A gnome for instance, would of likely never even met a druid prior to vanilla unless they fought along Jaina at Hyjal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    ROFL, I like that quick ban. He quickly approaches scarecrowz lvl of ban reaction.
    That was insanely fast

  4. #66784
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I don't member having lot's of lore dropped on us in Cata, with last class/race combo addition. Biggest were Taurens palas, with their sun worship. Gnome priests were just some healers, dwarf sham were Wildhammer, dwarf mages/locks were simply Dark Iron. Troll druids were Loa followers, everybody could be a hunter etc. For example - Draenein locks, probably the most egregious combo, could be Eredars returning back after Legion fall. We immediately accepted DK's, why not them?
    And some of them are good, especially with the Tauren Paladins, it created an entire new subset of lore that actually fit. Night Elf Paladins would have to worship Elune. No other way about it. They'd have to work real hard to make sure every class/combo makes sense, especially since they want to allow every race to be every class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tristannarutofan View Post
    Identit and culture dont mean anything. Anime and japanese and japanese history are something from japan but otakus are a plague on this world. Most people dont play chess but enough do to still have chess tournaments. If only .0001% of a demographic exists then there are many
    Real life cultures blending and stuff can be good and all, but the reason I'm playing a video game is to escape reality and live out a fantasy.

  5. #66785
    Quote Originally Posted by Foolicious View Post
    They could make a choice node with void form and dark evangelism. Both are major cooldowns and i don't think we will want to have both.
    It sounds cool to have my purple angel wings back tho

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    Look, I get the argument of "your average Gnome shouldn't know how to be a druid", but lore-wise, our character is hardly average at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    What are you taIking about? please dude, dont act like you speak for everyone and let people have their opinion, thank you. Its rather annoying.

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    Just ignore the guy... like everyone else.
    Ditto?

    I was giving a completely reasonable explanation on why Dracthyr are the way they are, and you are just like "No, they are not the way they are supposed to be!" (aka the way you want them).

    If I see a dragon, I don't think "wow, it's a big hulking beast". And I feel like most fantasy writers agree because the majority of humanoid dragons are the way Dracthyr are.

  7. #66787
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Look, I get the argument of "your average Gnome shouldn't know how to be a druid", but lore-wise, our character is hardly average at this point.
    Actually our character should be amongst the average ones and the npc be the exceptions. That enforces the identity of each races and each classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    What are you taIking about? please dude, dont act like you speak for everyone and let people have their opinion, thank you. Its rather annoying.

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    Just ignore the guy... like everyone else.
    Fair, but bear in mind, you don't speak for everyone either so stop complaining about something you have absolutely no control over, either get over it and move on or stay being bitter and sad because that's how you come across little man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    Actually our character should be amongst the average ones and the npc be the exceptions. That enforces the identity of each races and each classes.
    Nope, it should be the other way round. We are supposed to be the heroes of this story, the special ones, not some npc's. Stop trying to be a lore police, there is nothing to enforce regarding races and classes, you can still have racial identity without these silly restrictions lol.

  10. #66790
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildmoon View Post
    I mean they both suffer from the same problem of shit content schedule.
    definitely, but even though both had 2 major patches, SL didnt have one with selfie camera as its main (and pretty much only) content, and just some QOL changes

  11. #66791
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Nope, it should be the other way round. We are supposed to be the heroes of this story, the special ones, not some npc's. Stop trying to be a lore police, there is nothing to enforce regarding races and classes, you can still have racial identity without these silly restrictions lol.
    It has nothing to do with being lore police... Just that having your character stand out doesn't mean to have him be outside of the rules and defining traits of the group you are suppose to be part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    It has nothing to do with being lore police... Just that having your character stand out doesn't mean to have him be outside of the rules and defining traits of the group you are suppose to be part of.
    But there are no such rules that go against a class - an Orc is an Orc not because he is a Warrior, but because he is an Orc. Same goes for every race out there. And the "rare class/race combos" always have the best lore anyways, see Tauren Sunwalkers or Worgen/Troll Druids.

  13. #66793
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    Fair, but bear in mind, you don't speak for everyone either so stop complaining about something you have absolutely no control over, either get over it and move on or stay being bitter and sad because that's how you come across little man.
    You could have just read past my comment and not respond tbh. We were actually talking about the dragonids and not these geckos. Look I get it.. you like them and you are acting a little devensive, but I never said anything were I made it seem like I speak for everyone, thats more your thing so far.

    So please. just move along and let people have their opinions, I cant help, but you come across like a little whiney girl pointing fingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    It has nothing to do with being lore police... Just that having your character stand out doesn't mean to have him be outside of the rules and defining traits of the group you are suppose to be part of.
    Also, to go with a real life comparison - it's like saying you can't be japanese if you aren't a ramen cook or a samurai but lets say, a pizza baker. You know, classes are basically like real life jobs at this point and it makes literally 0 sense to prohibit any race from becoming any class after 20 years of working together with everyone against a handful of world ending threads.

  15. #66795
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    Look, I get the argument of "your average Gnome shouldn't know how to be a druid", but lore-wise, our character is hardly average at this point.

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    Ditto?

    I was giving a completely reasonable explanation on why Dracthyr are the way they are, and you are just like "No, they are not the way they are supposed to be!" (aka the way you want them).

    If I see a dragon, I don't think "wow, it's a big hulking beast". And I feel like most fantasy writers agree because the majority of humanoid dragons are the way Dracthyr are.
    I think you quote the wrong person.

  16. #66796
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    You could have just read past my comment and not respond tbh. We were actually talking about the dragonids and not these geckos. Look I get it.. you like them and you are acting a little devensive, but I never said anything were I made it seem like I speak for everyone, thats more your thing so far.

    So please. just move along and let people have their opinions, I cant help, but you come across like a little whiney girl pointing fingers.
    You got one thing right, but I'm not whiny you're doing that with your definition of the Dracthyr by calling them geckos..

    I'm gonna stop responding to you now because dealing with a whiny little man child is not a priority of my things to do right now.

  17. #66797
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    But there are no such rules that go against a class - an Orc is an Orc not because he is a Warrior, but because he is an Orc. Same goes for every race out there. And the "rare class/race combos" always have the best lore anyways, see Tauren Sunwalkers or Worgen/Troll Druids.
    so maghar paladin and maghar warlock are fine according to you. Same goes for lightforge drainei warlock?

    There will always be cases that breaks defining traits of a race and I would much rather have more races like the maghar that do not have a litany of race-class combos instead of dwarves that can almost fo anything.

    If we were to have three clans of dwarves with bronzebeard that do things that ironforge and wildhzmmer can't and vice versa it would be more intresting. Same goes for darkspear and zandalari trolls. Zandalari are supposed to be the superior race so I don't have an issue with them being able to do plenty but I am quite surprised with the choice of letting them be monks.

    I would rarely find interesting to have a class being available to all races. To my point of view, warriors lack identity for sure due to this and rogue will be even worse at dragonflight.

    Priest used to have a pretty clearly defined identity and lost it quite hard with time. I wish blizzard would acknowledge this and manage to sell this better on character creation and racial presence.

  18. #66798
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    You got one thing right, but I'm not whiny you're doing that with your definition of the Dracthyr by calling them geckos..

    I'm gonna stop responding to you now because dealing with a whiny little man child is not a priority of my things to do right now.
    Nah man, you just act childish because you dont like this opinion.
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    Do we expect a new build today? Maybe even a Beta announcement?

  20. #66800
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Also, to go with a real life comparison - it's like saying you can't be japanese if you aren't a ramen cook or a samurai but lets say, a pizza baker. You know, classes are basically like real life jobs at this point and it makes literally 0 sense to prohibit any race from becoming any class after 20 years of working together with everyone against a handful of world ending threads.
    I can't get over the fact, that people so passionately make real-life comparisons to justify or debunk "high-fantasy" logic. These are completely two different things and most of the time, there's no overlap here. You know why it never works? Because I could have made an analogical argument to real life with tauren rogues - if you had to rob a bank, and wanted to choose the most fitting one for the role, assuming all are at the same skill, you wouldn't choose the biggest, but the most agile and slim. It's how common sense works. Tauren rogue breaks the identity for "working in shadows". It's comical.

    Not to say, I'm against it. I just want to point out that making real life comparisons to high-fantasy is usually stupid.

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