Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Berkilak]

no
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but the lore is so rich and amazing
dreadlords arent demons they are beings from the shadowlands hence why they revived in argus...like a demon...
well the jailer sent the legion to azeroth by giving them the helm and blade of domination to...get a servant on a planet he already had servants on
the eternal ones united to stop him and when the drought happened...fought each other because...drought??
but sylvanas would never serve the jailer and hated arthas so she...became arthas and served the jailer

You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.

[Marlamin]

Idk if I missed it or not…
But are we expecting 10.0 PTR this week? Given that the PTR servers were taken down down last week.

Last time we saw the PTR servers they were already on the same 10.0 build as beta, but with the talent issues still not fixed in Beta I doubt they want to start up PTR testing until that is fixed. As soon as they deem things stable enough for PTR testing I'm sure we'll see it come up pretty quick as they seem ready to go.

[Revamp Man]

Sounds like you never bothered to even check what the lore is, so you're hardly qualified to comment on it.

What am I wrong about lol

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You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.

That's strangely accurate
All the lore seems to just feed back into itself

Dreadlords are servants of the Jailer so their connections to the legion and the lich king are just as tools to get a servant for the Jailer on Azeroth.

[huth]

What am I wrong about lol

Well, the Nathrezim in the Legion actually are demons, the Eternal Ones did not fight one another at any point outside of their fight against Zovaal and the Jailer just gave the Legion the sword and helm when they were already planning to go to Azeroth anyway. He also didn't have any servants there before the Lich King that we know off and the whole Lich King thing didn't really work out.
And Sylvanas turned on him immediately once she realised what she was being manipulated into.

So pretty much everything.

Also, the Nathrezim are servants of Denathrius, not Zovaal. They work for Zovaal, but they aren't his servants and likely not truly loyal, only staying because Denathrius told them to.

[Alanar]

i think this didnt turn out awful for about 20 seconds of work

Oo god.. ye this was bound to happen

[Nymrohd]

Oo god.. ye this was bound to happen

Nah, it needs to be way gayer.

[AngerFork]

You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.

Honestly, I think that guy might actually be better overall than Shadowlands was. While that guy was always annoying, at least he didn't take the time to trash & stomp on every class I took before derailing the current class.

[Avikur]

Last time we saw the PTR servers they were already on the same 10.0 build as beta, but with the talent issues still not fixed in Beta I doubt they want to start up PTR testing until that is fixed. As soon as they deem things stable enough for PTR testing I'm sure we'll see it come up pretty quick as they seem ready to go.

I'm expecting (hoping) that they do a new beta build this week with a fix for the talent issue and then update the PTR to the same build and release that as well

[Berkilak]

A bit weird considering the First Ones' thoughts are apparently so immense that they encompass EVERYTHING AND NOTHING at once, and that same logic is used to describe Light and Shadow (all and none).

Which is all functionally meaningless drivel that best remains as something scrawled in the margins of the notes of a freshman philosophy major - not as the central narrative of any story that wants to be coherent and impactful.

[Alanar]

Nah, it needs to be way gayer.

It does fit ye

[Makabreska]

[Arkura]

Can we even hope for a build yet though?

[Sondrelk]

Hopefully they will be willing to make Dragonriding a bit more challenging. The turning especially feels far too lenient at the moment, you really don't get a sense that turning sharply has any penalty at all, much less that it's part of the challenge.
Also would love if they made the last few Dragonriding talent points be locked behind the challenge races, otherwise you will just fill the talent tree instantly the second you get the mount and then never really progress in any way.

I would absolutely hate it if Blizzard ended up making this feature too easy, ruining any chance at making it feel challenging later. We have already seen with regualr flying how making things too easy early just means you cannot make it harder again later without it feeling annoying. And I really, really want Dragonriding to be the new norm, and for that it needs to be tuned to the level where it feels difficult at the highest level.

[Makabreska]

I would absolutely hate it if Blizzard ended up making this feature too easy, ruining any chance at making it feel challenging later. We have already seen with regualr flying how making things too easy early just means you cannot make it harder again later without it feeling annoying. And I really, really want Dragonriding to be the new norm, and for that it needs to be tuned to the level where it feels difficult at the highest level.

They will never make it baseline challenging, it is a mean of transport thats sole purpose is to make flying more interactive and enjoyable. Not make people suddenly having to focus hard on it which will quickly cause exhaustion. You will get your challenges in some WQ's or races they will no doubt implement.

[Nymrohd]

Hopefully they will be willing to make Dragonriding a bit more challenging. The turning especially feels far too lenient at the moment, you really don't get a sense that turning sharply has any penalty at all, much less that it's part of the challenge.

I just want to feel that if I try to go at full speed I will careen into a hill and die. Is that too much to ask?

[Sondrelk]

They will never make it baseline challenging, it is a mean of transport thats sole purpose is to make flying more interactive and enjoyable. Not make people suddenly having to focus hard on it which will quickly cause exhaustion. You will get your challenges in some WQ's or races they will no doubt implement.

Challenging doesnt have to mean extremely difficult. The final boss of a Normal raid is challenging.

What I want from Dragonriding is more specifically that it doesnt end up trivial. I don't need a mythic equivalent to Dragonriding, but I would like a NM variant, so to speak. Something that requires a baseline amount of effort such that it doesnt end up feeling unearned. There should be a level of skill that separates those that do it well enough to those that do it great, just like how in a NM raid you don't need amazing DPS, but you are definitely rewarded for having it.

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I just want to feel that if I try to go at full speed I will careen into a hill and die. Is that too much to ask?

This is pretty much the case.
I still stand by that what I want from Dragonriding is the same feeling I get from gliding in Just Cause 3. Or using the Elytra in Minecraft. Not something that is difficult and requires lots of learning, but something that rewards good play with more gameplay opportunities and challenges than what you get it from it by doing the minimal amount.

[Makabreska]

Challenging doesnt have to mean extremely difficult. The final boss of a Normal raid is challenging.

What I want from Dragonriding is more specifically that it doesnt end up trivial. I don't need a mythic equivalent to Dragonriding, but I would like a NM variant, so to speak. Something that requires a baseline amount of effort such that it doesnt end up feeling unearned. There should be a level of skill that separates those that do it well enough to those that do it great, just like how in a NM raid you don't need amazing DPS, but you are definitely rewarded for having it.

Apples to oranges. What will you get by being better at DRing? Getting to your destination a little faster?

[Nymrohd]

Apples to oranges. What will you get by being better at DRing? Getting to your destination a little faster?

Yeah. That would be enough for me tbh. Or getting to my destination in a more creative way. And more importantly, actually getting to it instead of just afking there and then remembering I was flying only to find myself dying on fatigue water.

[Makabreska]

Yeah. That would be enough for me tbh. Or getting to my destination in a more creative way. And more importantly, actually getting to it instead of just afking there and then remembering I was flying only to find myself dying on fatigue water.

Well, that last part is already there since the start.

[Sondrelk]

Apples to oranges. What will you get by being better at DRing? Getting to your destination a little faster?

The good feeling you get from being good at something.
I still think that the best metric for a good version of Dragonriding is one where you can, if you are good at it, fly from the shore to the highest peak, and for this to be challenging enough that it's not a simple checklist achievement.

Currently it seems like it's mostly trivial to fly around at max level. It takes the bare minimum to regain vigor, and with lenient turning circles and plenty of movement options staying in the air is more of an AFK check than anything.

A different metric on which to judge Dragonriding is whether players organically feel that the Flight Master is a good option, rather than simply using Dragonriding everywhere.
Obviously if you are in Valdrakken then the game is very clearly laid out to use your mount to get down and that is perfectly fine. But what I wonder is whether Dragonriding will become so trivial that even stuff like moving from the North tip to the South tip will be trivial enough that players will only choose the Flight Master if they have something else to do rather than play the game. Not quite as severe as with regualr flying where you only use the Flight Master if you are afraid you will autorun into the fatigue zone, but still.


In short. I want Dragonriding to be tuned to such a level where it isnt trivial at the games highest level of intended challenge, like Advanced flying courses, or even regualr Gold courses. And in many ways be tuned in such a way that Blizzard has plenty of room to make new challenges or changes to it later, without those changes solely being to add areas where it isnt useable.