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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Idk if I missed it or not…
    But are we expecting 10.0 PTR this week? Given that the PTR servers were taken down down last week.
    I don't think we have evidence for or against? You should probably @ Marlamin for something like this in case there is a pattern with past builds? Imo it seems way too early, from what we know the talent UI is really not stable and too many classes need a pass still. Imo many specs need a couple of passes on their talents before they are ready for PTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The way I see it Reality was really not pre-planned. Seems to me that the First Ones planned the six forces (hence the Zereths) pretty much to set up the experiment happening in Reality. What would happen there was not really predetermined. So yeah, Zovaal and the realm he was built to serve had a specific goal with significant predestination but that's not the real focus of the cosmos. If anything he should be pissed he was built as a utility.
    I imagine the "twist" the writers are going for is that the mystery seventh force Zovaal was so scared of will end up being reality.
    Fits quite well with what we know of it so far, and would be a decently good twist in regards to the constant shifting of forces being good or bad depending on who from our reality uses it next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I imagine the "twist" the writers are going for is that the mystery seventh force Zovaal was so scared of will end up being reality.
    Fits quite well with what we know of it so far, and would be a decently good twist in regards to the constant shifting of forces being good or bad depending on who from our reality uses it next.
    I think the twist will be the mythological constant of "In the beginning there, was nothing". The First Ones displaced that "Nothing" and it is probably pissed with all this reality and six forces squatting at its home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
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    but the lore is so rich and amazing
    dreadlords arent demons they are beings from the shadowlands hence why they revived in argus...like a demon...
    well the jailer sent the legion to azeroth by giving them the helm and blade of domination to...get a servant on a planet he already had servants on
    the eternal ones united to stop him and when the drought happened...fought each other because...drought??
    but sylvanas would never serve the jailer and hated arthas so she...became arthas and served the jailer
    You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

    Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Idk if I missed it or not…
    But are we expecting 10.0 PTR this week? Given that the PTR servers were taken down down last week.
    Last time we saw the PTR servers they were already on the same 10.0 build as beta, but with the talent issues still not fixed in Beta I doubt they want to start up PTR testing until that is fixed. As soon as they deem things stable enough for PTR testing I'm sure we'll see it come up pretty quick as they seem ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Sounds like you never bothered to even check what the lore is, so you're hardly qualified to comment on it.
    What am I wrong about lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

    Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.
    That's strangely accurate
    All the lore seems to just feed back into itself

    Dreadlords are servants of the Jailer so their connections to the legion and the lich king are just as tools to get a servant for the Jailer on Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    What am I wrong about lol
    Well, the Nathrezim in the Legion actually are demons, the Eternal Ones did not fight one another at any point outside of their fight against Zovaal and the Jailer just gave the Legion the sword and helm when they were already planning to go to Azeroth anyway. He also didn't have any servants there before the Lich King that we know off and the whole Lich King thing didn't really work out.
    And Sylvanas turned on him immediately once she realised what she was being manipulated into.

    So pretty much everything.

    Also, the Nathrezim are servants of Denathrius, not Zovaal. They work for Zovaal, but they aren't his servants and likely not truly loyal, only staying because Denathrius told them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    i think this didnt turn out awful for about 20 seconds of work

    Oo god.. ye this was bound to happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Oo god.. ye this was bound to happen
    Nah, it needs to be way gayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    You know that one guy in your class that would always derail the lecture just to hear himself talking because of his inflated perception of his own intelligence and general vanity? When everyone else just wants to get on with what they actually came to class to learn about?

    Shadowlands is that guy as a video game.
    Honestly, I think that guy might actually be better overall than Shadowlands was. While that guy was always annoying, at least he didn't take the time to trash & stomp on every class I took before derailing the current class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Last time we saw the PTR servers they were already on the same 10.0 build as beta, but with the talent issues still not fixed in Beta I doubt they want to start up PTR testing until that is fixed. As soon as they deem things stable enough for PTR testing I'm sure we'll see it come up pretty quick as they seem ready to go.
    I'm expecting (hoping) that they do a new beta build this week with a fix for the talent issue and then update the PTR to the same build and release that as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I think the twist will be the mythological constant of "In the beginning there, was nothing". The First Ones displaced that "Nothing" and it is probably pissed with all this reality and six forces squatting at its home.
    A bit weird considering the First Ones' thoughts are apparently so immense that they encompass EVERYTHING AND NOTHING at once, and that same logic is used to describe Light and Shadow (all and none).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    A bit weird considering the First Ones' thoughts are apparently so immense that they encompass EVERYTHING AND NOTHING at once, and that same logic is used to describe Light and Shadow (all and none).
    Which is all functionally meaningless drivel that best remains as something scrawled in the margins of the notes of a freshman philosophy major - not as the central narrative of any story that wants to be coherent and impactful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Nah, it needs to be way gayer.
    It does fit ye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Can we even hope for a build yet though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Hopefully they will be willing to make Dragonriding a bit more challenging. The turning especially feels far too lenient at the moment, you really don't get a sense that turning sharply has any penalty at all, much less that it's part of the challenge.
    Also would love if they made the last few Dragonriding talent points be locked behind the challenge races, otherwise you will just fill the talent tree instantly the second you get the mount and then never really progress in any way.

    I would absolutely hate it if Blizzard ended up making this feature too easy, ruining any chance at making it feel challenging later. We have already seen with regualr flying how making things too easy early just means you cannot make it harder again later without it feeling annoying. And I really, really want Dragonriding to be the new norm, and for that it needs to be tuned to the level where it feels difficult at the highest level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I would absolutely hate it if Blizzard ended up making this feature too easy, ruining any chance at making it feel challenging later. We have already seen with regualr flying how making things too easy early just means you cannot make it harder again later without it feeling annoying. And I really, really want Dragonriding to be the new norm, and for that it needs to be tuned to the level where it feels difficult at the highest level.
    They will never make it baseline challenging, it is a mean of transport thats sole purpose is to make flying more interactive and enjoyable. Not make people suddenly having to focus hard on it which will quickly cause exhaustion. You will get your challenges in some WQ's or races they will no doubt implement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Hopefully they will be willing to make Dragonriding a bit more challenging. The turning especially feels far too lenient at the moment, you really don't get a sense that turning sharply has any penalty at all, much less that it's part of the challenge.
    I just want to feel that if I try to go at full speed I will careen into a hill and die. Is that too much to ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    They will never make it baseline challenging, it is a mean of transport thats sole purpose is to make flying more interactive and enjoyable. Not make people suddenly having to focus hard on it which will quickly cause exhaustion. You will get your challenges in some WQ's or races they will no doubt implement.
    Challenging doesnt have to mean extremely difficult. The final boss of a Normal raid is challenging.

    What I want from Dragonriding is more specifically that it doesnt end up trivial. I don't need a mythic equivalent to Dragonriding, but I would like a NM variant, so to speak. Something that requires a baseline amount of effort such that it doesnt end up feeling unearned. There should be a level of skill that separates those that do it well enough to those that do it great, just like how in a NM raid you don't need amazing DPS, but you are definitely rewarded for having it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I just want to feel that if I try to go at full speed I will careen into a hill and die. Is that too much to ask?
    This is pretty much the case.
    I still stand by that what I want from Dragonriding is the same feeling I get from gliding in Just Cause 3. Or using the Elytra in Minecraft. Not something that is difficult and requires lots of learning, but something that rewards good play with more gameplay opportunities and challenges than what you get it from it by doing the minimal amount.
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