Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

Zappyboi is a part of the new horde council and bwonsamdi has taken an interest in him so not really dropped just not needed for inter-dimensional cosmic threats.

Yeah, saying he was "dropped" is rather ignoring that we went somewhere he isn't. Of course he doesn't show up, he is busy on Azeroth. Might as well complain Greymane and Turalyon aren't showing up.

Though more leaders not shoving the Horde down the path of conquest is exactly what they need. That never got them anywhere. It's time they focus on more fruitful endeavours and outcompete the Alliance economically like an adult nation.

[Revamp Man]

Ummm, did she show ANY signs of hostility? All I saw was her wanting to lift Forsaken pain of existence. Plus, we really shouldn't expect any meaningful faction conflict in the future.

What I mean is her taking a back seat and just being a figure head that only appears to say "we must unite" and all that

[Nymrohd]

Ummm, did she show ANY signs of hostility? All I saw was her wanting to lift Forsaken pain of existence. Plus, we really shouldn't expect any meaningful faction conflict in the future.

Calia was pretty much created by the Light, created by a Naaru that had fully descended into a void state for millenia before being brought back. "The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all." I think Calia is the product of that bargain. Imo when the Light expansion comes, Calia will inevitably be involved and she is a far more obvious pawn of the Light than certain people's obsession Turalyon.

[Makabreska]

Feral and Mistweaver changes:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcomin...a-combo-328889

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcomin...-plenty-328891

[Nymrohd]

Feral and Mistweaver changes:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcomin...a-combo-328889

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcomin...-plenty-328891

Some minor resto changes added as well. I am really thinking I might play some feral this xpac, always enjoyed that spec and the talent tree is very interesting.

[Greyfang]

I just got access to beta. Does anyone know how to create a lv58 dracthyr to try out the starting zone? It will only let me create lvl60 characters.

[Nymrohd]

I just went through Dragon Soul thinking I could get a selfie with all the Aspects for this beta competition to discover how limited the damn selfie is. Really now, they wasted a patch developing that?

[boyzma]

I just went through Dragon Soul thinking I could get a selfie with all the Aspects for this beta competition to discover how limited the damn selfie is. Really now, they wasted a patch developing that?

So in actuality you're really saying "I wasn't able to do the things required to win a beta key so I could "play" the expansion, therefore I am not going to admit I couldn't do it but blame the developers and claim they wasted a patch." Get real Snowflake...I'm sure plenty of people have completed the task. Quit with the damn "wasted a patch" bit...got real old a long time ago.

[Nymrohd]

So in actuality you're really saying "I wasn't able to do the things required to win a beta key so I could "play" the expansion, therefore I am not going to admit I couldn't do it but blame the developers and claim they wasted a patch." Get real Snowflake...I'm sure plenty of people have completed the task. Quit with the damn "wasted a patch" bit...got real old a long time ago.

? Is this sarcasm? I still got selfies, I just had to get four separate ones and collage them. But really that feature needed more work, let me get a wide shot or something. Maybe some NPC interaction where NPCs realize they are in a selfie and look to the camera.

[Makabreska]

Hunters suddenly get a r̶a̶i̶d̶ party wide CD:

[Alanar]

Calia was pretty much created by the Light, created by a Naaru that had fully descended into a void state for millenia before being brought back. "The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all." I think Calia is the product of that bargain. Imo when the Light expansion comes, Calia will inevitably be involved and she is a far more obvious pawn of the Light than certain people's obsession Turalyon.

She got ressed ye.., in a unique way, but I dont think she was a devoted follower or anything. She was just lucky these forces were there to help her. I cant compare her to some one like Turalyon, who is a devoted light follower in all its glory, while calia just wants to help her people, her faith is not a main topic here.

No matter how hard people try to stirr the wheel the other way. Its a not a matter of obsession, its more like he fits in every way without even trying. I can understand why you say calia, but what we have seen from her.. it doesnt seem like that is an arc for her, she is all about restoring.

I cant really think of some one who has an obsession with the guy.. besides one person. Lets not summon him.

[Varodoc]

Calia was pretty much created by the Light, created by a Naaru that had fully descended into a void state for millenia before being brought back. "The Light has struck a bargain with the enemy of all." I think Calia is the product of that bargain. Imo when the Light expansion comes, Calia will inevitably be involved and she is a far more obvious pawn of the Light than certain people's obsession Turalyon.

It's mostly just a few people online (all Horde players ofc) still resenting SoO and wanting an Alliance counterpart in Stormwind.

It doesn't make any actual logical sense for Turalyon, the man who put aside his grudges to stop the Legion alongside the Illidari (monsters), to become a villain, nor will he actually become a villain, since they already pushed Yrel to be a villain.

Besides, as we have seen so far, Regent Turalyon is the best ruler Stormwind has had in modern years. Unlike Varian and Anduin, his reign is currently marked by several years of internal stability and peace. No doubt thanks to his advisors too, chiefly amongst them Alleria Windrunner.

[Icelin]

She got ressed ye.., in a unique way, but I dont think she was a devoted follower or anything. She was just lucky these forces were there to help her. I cant compare her to some one like Turalyon, who is a devoted light follower in all its glory, while calia just wants to help her people, her faith is not a main topic here.

From my understanding this character doesn't fit that trope. No. Not in cannon.

You know what character did? Tyrande.

Cannon all the way back to WC3, "Only the Goddess commands me what to do."

From all other cannon among many expansions... Yet all I received was a small clip of her faith. It was beautiful clip , too bad it made absolutely no sense. Instead all the other clips that we did receive was her going melee/demon hunter which isn't cannon, decapitating male characters right and left. With a scowl on her face. Truly disgusting imagery. That made no sense to what that character ever was. Seemed like some bitter ex lover propaganda to me, or someone who just enjoys spreading violent, hateful messages.

I heard RoP has done the same thing to Galadriel. Made her character into melee when she was one of the most powerful spell casters. (Tyrande was a priestess btw) Such an uproar about it, now image if they had her decapitating a majority of strong/important male characters. How it would settle with the audience. This media needs to do people a favor and not tamper with cannon to push an agenda.

As for Calia, I don't even understand why they would put her in this expansion. SLs was the time to do it when the Forsaken leader was having a closing arc. They are suppose to be done with death and focus on life which should naturally overall create a more positive atmosphere. With less abusive messaging and agenda. Just characters having fun.

I am tired of the Night Elves too it has been several expansions of it. I am over with what they did with them. It has just become boring. Ya I have made it clear several times I am not impressed what unfolded with them but in all honesty I am genuinely tired of staying on the same topic. Same goes for several characters I have seen get screen time for way too long. I have been stating this for years, I am curious to know it they actually listened. Like they claim they do.. with so few remaining paying customers left.

[Sondrelk]

Hunters suddenly get a r̶a̶i̶d̶ party wide CD:

Hardly a great one annoyingly. Maybe if it was raid wide it would be something great. Or better yet, didn't require investing two talent points to get.

[Abitou]

anyone not subbed got into beta ?

[Foolicious]

Hardly a great one annoyingly. Maybe if it was raid wide it would be something great. Or better yet, didn't require investing two talent points to get.

I think its not bad. It doesn't have a real cooldown, only requires you to spend focus (lets say 45-60 seconds average) and can help out tanks a lot in progression so survive heavy magic damage better.
Is it a buff that hunters needed? Absolutely not. But in a world where priests can't have an interrupt why not give out magic damage reduction to hunters? Makes sense to me.

[Caiphon]

It's mostly just a few people online (all Horde players ofc) still resenting SoO and wanting an Alliance counterpart in Stormwind.

It doesn't make any actual logical sense for Turalyon, the man who put aside his grudges to stop the Legion alongside the Illidari (monsters), to become a villain, nor will he actually become a villain, since they already pushed Yrel to be a villain.

Besides, as we have seen so far, Regent Turalyon is the best ruler Stormwind has had in modern years. Unlike Varian and Anduin, his reign is currently marked by several years of internal stability and peace. No doubt thanks to his advisors too, chiefly amongst them Alleria Windrunner.

Let us not forget we're dealing with Blizzard, corruption would be its middle name if companies can have middle names. Jaina was pretty much personified peace, willing to sacrifice her own father to stop an all out war between humans and the newborn Horde. After MoP though? Easily the most aggressive, hateful Alliance leader up until mid BfA where she softens up a bit and Tyrande takes on the mantle.

It wouldn't be beyond Blizzard to come up with some sort of event that turns Turalyon into a fanatic zealot that wants to purge all 'dark' powers and entities from Azeroth - after all we have warlocks, demon hunters, death knights and void people walking around. Alleria might even give out quests saying her husband needs to be stopped, who knows? Or perhaps Khadgar would intervene like Kalec did when Jaina was trying to pull off a Stratholme in Orgrimmar.

[Sondrelk]

I think its not bad. It doesn't have a real cooldown, only requires you to spend focus (lets say 45-60 seconds average) and can help out tanks a lot in progression so survive heavy magic damage better.
Is it a buff that hunters needed? Absolutely not. But in a world where priests can't have an interrupt why not give out magic damage reduction to hunters? Makes sense to me.

The issue is that it's not raid wide, it's party wide. In M+ it will be decently useful, but that is not the kind of group utility Hunters desperately need. What Hunters need is some kind of group utility that makes them valuable in raid progression.

Make Sentinel Owl only cost one talent point, either by making the ability baseline with a choice ode on top, or remove the initial talent and make the choice node give the ability, and it will be close to the kind of utility Hunters need.

In short. If your raid group currently has no X class, you should be happy to have one added to the raid group.
When my pig doesn't have a warrior i am hally to add one for the battle shout. Same with monk and mystic touch, DH with Chaos brand, Mage with Wisdom, and priest with fortitude.

A simpel buff like those might be a bit much, but most classes are explicitly being given some form of raid utility. But Hunters are evidently not.

[Varodoc]

Let us not forget we're dealing with Blizzard, corruption would be its middle name if companies can have middle names. Jaina was pretty much personified peace, willing to sacrifice her own father to stop an all out war between humans and the newborn Horde. After MoP though? Easily the most aggressive, hateful Alliance leader up until mid BfA where she softens up a bit and Tyrande takes on the mantle.

It wouldn't be beyond Blizzard to come up with some sort of event that turns Turalyon into a fanatic zealot that wants to purge all 'dark' powers and entities from Azeroth - after all we have warlocks, demon hunters, death knights and void people walking around. Alleria might even give out quests saying her husband needs to be stopped, who knows? Or perhaps Khadgar would intervene like Kalec did when Jaina was trying to pull off a Stratholme in Orgrimmar.

And after BfA? She understood the errors of her ways, got over her trauma, redeemed herself in the eyes of her people, and became a worthy Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras. Overall, her story has a happy ending, which she deserves btw.

It wouldn't be beyond Blizzard to come up with some sort of event that turns Turalyon into a fanatic zealot that wants to purge all 'dark' powers and entities from Azeroth - after all we have warlocks, demon hunters, death knights and void people walking around. Alleria might even give out quests saying her husband needs to be stopped, who knows? Or perhaps Khadgar would intervene like Kalec did when Jaina was trying to pull off a Stratholme in Orgrimmar.

If that's your argument, "anything can happen", then it's a pointless argument. Blizzard can turn anyone into a villain, correct, so it's pointless to focus on Turalyon.

In the meantime, I would point you to Geya'rah, who clearly stated that the Alliance cities would burn. She, and Mag'har like her, definitely don't need any corruption to make genocidal threats.

[AngerFork]

It's mostly just a few people online (all Horde players ofc) still resenting SoO and wanting an Alliance counterpart in Stormwind.

It doesn't make any actual logical sense for Turalyon, the man who put aside his grudges to stop the Legion alongside the Illidari (monsters), to become a villain, nor will he actually become a villain, since they already pushed Yrel to be a villain.

Besides, as we have seen so far, Regent Turalyon is the best ruler Stormwind has had in modern years. Unlike Varian and Anduin, his reign is currently marked by several years of internal stability and peace. No doubt thanks to his advisors too, chiefly amongst them Alleria Windrunner.

For once, I find myself in full agreement with you. Turalyon has a lot of the makings of a warhawk & has already done questionable things, not to mention his talk about wanting to take back the other human kingdoms. However, he had years to start that effort & the Alliance does not appear to be currently at war with the Horde. He hasn't visibly tried to force the issue. We also saw that he's willing to learn & adjust his past views from his interaction with Alonsus Faol in Before The Storm. Plus we also have to remember that the Light's control over him seems to have faded with X'era's death. His eyes during the Rejection of the Gift cinematic show this being the case.

With that in mind, why would he suddenly go evil? He'll likely be happy to see troops from the Light with Yrel if they invade, may well even roll out the red carpet welcome to them in Stormwind at first. However, given that he's now had years of Alleria at his side balancing him again as well as Velen as an advisor who himself no longer blindly follows the Light (though he is still a follower), he's likely to be a bit more grounded & willing to fight back if they start to try to enslave or kill everyone. The main concern I see on his end (if anything) would be if Yrel talks him into renewing his vows to the Light via the efforts of another Naaru.

Calia on the other hand...I agree with Nymrohd on her being a much more likely threat. The Light specifically wanted to bring her back & used Anduin in part as a vessel to do so. She is seemingly far more under the Light's control right now than Turalyon was back then. She may seem peaceful now, but so did Yrel at one point.