Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Crazy how class design and bugs appear to be the only issues DF has going for it rn...

It sucks yeah, and raid tuning may be bad also, but holy fuck...

It's already night and day compared to SLs issues.

SL is already night and day compared to BfA. Back then it was main topic of complaining, same way as currently lore/not familiar world in SL.

But in general classes and balance are two things that you can always criticize and every time someone will agree with you. It will never be perfect and it never is tested against past iterations.

[Makabreska]

Crazy how class design and bugs appear to be the only issues DF has going for it rn...

It sucks yeah, and raid tuning may be bad also, but holy fuck...

It's already night and day compared to SLs issues.

I would not expect raid tuning to have any significant issues. Blizz acknowledged they fucked up with SotFO and will stop trying to challenge WF raiders.

[Skildar]

Again I don't see why I am told I am getting hot takes or poorly reading the post when you are actually agreeing with me. At some point design has to stop for tuning to happen. We are at that point. Some specs will always be a bit behind. I am unhappy about that. Don't I have the right to be unhappy about that? Is that irrational? This is the cycle for each of the xpacs that did serious changes to class gameplay; some specs just did not feel great at X.0 and got there by X.2-X.3 (because last two times we had this happen they DID continue working on the system throughout the expac to a much larger degree than in other expacs). They'll get there but it sure sucks for them. That it is inevitable doesn't mean it is OK and that people are not happy with everything doesn't mean their perception of reality is problematic. We are customers, our expectations are supposed to be normative, not pragmatic.

Don't worry buddy you're not crazy and you did read the blue post correctly. They're not working on making any big changes before release and will still update the trees when relevant over the course of the expac. Anyone who's saying otherwise and call this a hot take is mainly doing so to piss you off.

[Nymrohd]

Crazy how class design and bugs appear to be the only issues DF has going for it rn...

It sucks yeah, and raid tuning may be bad also, but holy fuck...

It's already night and day compared to SLs issues.

Honestly the story and the lore are not that good imo but so far I haven't seen anything that is harmful to the setting long term; the timeline is just stupid and the plot is far too generic and lacking in charismatic characters. But the place is gorgeous possible the best looking continent so far, most of the specs I've tried play well, the progression systems seem good, rotation will keep me from burning out on the same M+ dungeons. And dragonriding is so much fun, I hope they keep adding courses throughout the expac. Most importantly nothing is just obviously problematic like Azerite or Covenant choice were.

[Kiria]

My guildmate didn't opt in but still got the beta

Why is this even possible? :/

[Nymrohd]

I mean, the plot is kinda supposed to feel basic compared to BFAs and SL...

There is no immediate world breaking threat, and whatever threat there "is" comes during the questing and is a slow build up and what if scenario rn, since only 1 incarnate exists atm.

And that's OK but then you try to make it up with villains that are charismatic or have interesting intentions. Writing and voice acting can make an otherwise low impact plot very entertainment and I haven't seen much of it yet. Perhaps Raszageth comes through in the many cinematics missing from beta and she is much more entertaining in the end result though.

[Sondrelk]

And that's OK but then you try to make it up with villains that are charismatic or have interesting intentions. Writing and voice acting can make an otherwise low impact plot very entertainment and I haven't seen much of it yet. Perhaps Raszageth comes through in the many cinematics missing from beta and she is much more entertaining in the end result though.

Surely this is just the intro though. Whoever shows up in 10.1 is the one we should be looking out for in regards to charismatic villain.

It would be better if Razsageth was more interesting, but this really is just meant to be a boss we leave behind us in only a couple of months. Hardly more than a dungeon boss in the grand scheme.

[Nymrohd]

Surely this is just the intro though. Whoever shows up in 10.1 is the one we should be looking out for in regards to charismatic villain.

It would be better if Razsageth was more interesting, but this really is just meant to be a boss we leave behind us in only a couple of months. Hardly more than a dungeon boss in the grand scheme.

I kind of expect Vault to end with the other three Primals all breaking free. I mean it's the obvious thing to happen.

[ClownPrincess]

lmao @ expecting any character in wow to have charisma
lmao @ expecting that wow quality voice acting would improve anything

[Sondrelk]

I kind of expect Vault to end with the other three Primals all breaking free. I mean it's the obvious thing to happen.

I thought the three world bosses were the other primals. Guess I might have jumped the gun on that. Not really read much about the actual lore in Dragonflight yet, trying to prevent spoilers.

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lmao @ expecting any character in wow to have charisma
lmao @ expecting that wow quality voice acting would improve anything

Clearly you have not seen Denathrius.

[Khaza-R]

Clearly you have not seen Denathrius.

Was going to be my response to that comment as well lol. Denathrius with any other voice actor just wouldn't have delivered the same way.

[Nymrohd]

lmao @ expecting any character in wow to have charisma
lmao @ expecting that wow quality voice acting would improve anything

Denathrius, Azshara, Khadgar?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Don't worry buddy you're not crazy and you did read the blue post correctly. They're not working on making any big changes before release and will still update the trees when relevant over the course of the expac. Anyone who's saying otherwise and call this a hot take is mainly doing so to piss you off.

Nah, more likely they are trying to be reasonable but ok dude whaetever. Furthermore, its almost Novemeber and if thats the date its not surprising the big focus on class design is ending. It wasn't going to go on forever.

lmao @ expecting any character in wow to have charisma
lmao @ expecting that wow quality voice acting would improve anything

*Facepalm* Yes cause thats the only opinion around here that matters. /sarcasm for the week.

[Gigantique]

To me Sabellion also was top notch (only done Waking Shore so far), man I did not expect to join #TeamSabellion that quickly but here we are. His VA also delivers the perfect blend of elegance, wisdom but also hint of haughtiness I would expect from an uncorrupted elder black dragon.

[Jastall]

And that's OK but then you try to make it up with villains that are charismatic or have interesting intentions. Writing and voice acting can make an otherwise low impact plot very entertainment and I haven't seen much of it yet. Perhaps Raszageth comes through in the many cinematics missing from beta and she is much more entertaining in the end result though.

Charismatic villains are the exception rather than the norm in WoW. Off the top of my head from the last expansions I can name Denathrius, Azshara, and to a smaller degree Gul'dan was well done in WoD even if largely absent early in Legion. Before that I dunno, Lei Shen was really cool as a concept but underused, Garrosh made for a neat villain but the path there was too badly written for me to appreciate it, Cataclysm and BC had shit villains obviously, and I guess Arthas would be praised here but TBH I think some of it was inertia from the WC3 days. In actual Wrath Arthas isn't as sassy and irreverent as when he was a DK, he's much more of a Saturday morning cartoon villain going "mwahaha I'll get you nexxxxt tiiiime". Yogg is the best villain of that expansion and the best Old God by a mile even if he just lasts barely more than half a zone and one raid.

[Makabreska]

And that's OK but then you try to make it up with villains that are charismatic or have interesting intentions. Writing and voice acting can make an otherwise low impact plot very entertainment and I haven't seen much of it yet. Perhaps Raszageth comes through in the many cinematics missing from beta and she is much more entertaining in the end result though.

I mean, this is literally an elements infused proto drake. It's hard to make a compelling villain from someone with big ass snout and no opposable thumbs. It is not Denathrius, who radiated smugness, charisma and arrogance, we are talking about a boss whose lookalikes are used as mounts since Wotlk. That's why he unfortunately looses from the start as a compelling villain.

[Nymrohd]

A consistent bug I am seeing is poor timing with the audio with voice lines riding on top of each other. Sadly that's a bug I've seen making it to live quite often

[Makabreska]

Yogg is the best villain of that expansion and the best Old God by a mile even if he just lasts barely more than half a zone and one raid.

Not getting this one. Yogg and C'thun were this super generic, no personality, tentacled, mind fucking "old god" types that kept spewing one-liners, and their only ambition was to "consume all". N'zoth at least could hold a conversation.

[Sondrelk]

Not getting this one. Yogg and C'thun were this super generic, no personality, tentacled, mind fucking "old god" types that kept spewing one-liners, and their only ambition was to "consume all". N'zoth at least could hold a conversation.

It's a shame we didn't get the N'zoth from the first half of the Azshara Warbringers animation. By the time we meet him it's just booming voices and villainous monologuing.
That initial version of N'zoth was properly threatening.

[Varodoc]

Some people nowadays are obsessed with every villain having a generic sad sob story childhood backstory and morally grey motivations, but that's not necessary at all for a villain to become iconic and beloved. Yogg-Saron is one of the most beloved villains of WoW for obvious reasons. He is a complete cackling lunatic maniac, his voice actor is very good, his inclusion in the story makes sense (we already saw Faceless ones in WC3, in the Nerubian fallen kingdom, so clearly there had to be an Old God somewhere in Northrend), and he is responsible for the corruption of the Northrend's titan-forged.

Since Murozond is obviously the real villain of Dragonflight, he can be an excellent villain. While he might not have generic "omg i was just trying to do good xddd" motivation like Arthas or Sylvanas, he has a badass design, a unique purpose in the story (the only villain trying to meddle with time and rewrite the timelines), and a connection to one of the main characters (he is a future version of Nozdormu).