Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Wouldn't really call them important. Nothing would change in the story of the zone if Lord W wasn't sick and Lady W was just power hungry. Same with going to the past and seeing failed wedding.

But the question isn't if relationships are prominent or important to the story, it's if they are part of the story. None of these new questlines make the relationship important and world defining, it's just there. Let's not act as if it is something new. Perhaps the volume has increased but that's it. If anything it is a more realistic story for it.

[huth]

But the question isn't if relationships are prominent or important to the story, it's if they are part of the story.

Yes, it is whether they are important or prominent. Not sure why you think otherwise. Anything that isn't important or prominent can be changed with little impact.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're way overstating both how common those are and the general impact. Illidan/Tyrande/Malfurion was a side note at best, always overshadowed by bigger issues while Jaina's relationships have little to no impact on anything and may as well not have happened for all the difference it makes.
Thrall's wedding had some importance, but who he got married to did not.
Azuregos and the Spirit Healer was little more than a joke.

And that's what, 4 relationships in 18 years of story?

It's not that they are super impactful it's that wow has always had a ton of relationship stuff and it even takes senator stage from time to time, and no it's not just 4 those are just the most notable ones with big named characters.

off the top of my head there's.

mankrik and his wife
Kalecgos and Anveena
Lor'themar and Liadrin
Kael'thas and Jaina
Draka and Durotan
Ner'zhul and Rulkan
Sylvanas and Nathanos
Vereesa and Rhonin
Alleria and Turalyon

all of theses characters have pretty major story beats based around there relationships and all of them are big players one way or another (other then mankrik) and there are likely tons of other relationships both major and minor through out wow or characters who are defined about losing one half of there relationship.

[Revamp Man]

the dragon races are more fun than i expected
they arent insanely difficult but that feeling from even just improving your time by .039 seconds is so good

[Nymrohd]

the dragon races are more fun than i expected
they arent insanely difficult but that feeling from even just improving your time by .039 seconds is so good

The instability and the lag because of the region difference keep me from spending more time with them but they are indeed fun.

[Revamp Man]

The instability and the lag because of the region difference keep me from spending more time with them but they are indeed fun.

i have crashed like 10 times today alone but the bug reports are worth getting the achievements thinking i only got silver just to see the gold acheev pop up later

[Nymrohd]

So here is one thing I found fairly problematic after playing the last three expansions. Dragonflight does not scale the zones while leveling. I did campaign only, did the Bronze Oathstone at lvl 68 and then I thought I might backtrack to do some sidequests. All sidequests in the first two zones were worth practically no xp because they had greyed out. I thought we were past that . . .

Also this is probably a bug but leveling dungeons don't have scaling ilvl for their loot; it seems it always drops at max normal dungeon ilvl.

[Eldryth]

It's not that they are super impactful it's that wow has always had a ton of relationship stuff and it even takes senator stage from time to time, and no it's not just 4 those are just the most notable ones with big named characters.

off the top of my head there's.

mankrik and his wife
Kalecgos and Anveena
Lor'themar and Liadrin
Kael'thas and Jaina
Draka and Durotan
Ner'zhul and Rulkan
Sylvanas and Nathanos
Vereesa and Rhonin
Alleria and Turalyon

all of theses characters have pretty major story beats based around there relationships and all of them are big players one way or another (other then mankrik) and there are likely tons of other relationships both major and minor through out wow or characters who are defined about losing one half of there relationship.

It's Lor'themar and Thalyssra (the Nightborne leader), not Liadrin. They're actually going to be married as of Dragonflight too, and I think they've said there will be a short story coming about their wedding.

[Nymrohd]

It's Lor'themar and Thalyssra (the Nightborne leader), not Liadrin. They're actually going to be married as of Dragonflight too, and I think they've said there will be a short story coming about their wedding.

It was Lor'themar and Liadrin for a while but then Blizzard dropped that plot and moved to Thalyssra.

[KainneAbsolute]

It's Lor'themar and Thalyssra (the Nightborne leader), not Liadrin. They're actually going to be married as of Dragonflight too, and I think they've said there will be a short story coming about their wedding.

Some people shipped Liadrin and Lorthemar (or maybe there was a love triangle if you include Gallel) in an old story. I think they were good friends.

[huth]

It's not that they are super impactful it's that wow has always had a ton of relationship stuff

You keep saying that and you keep failing to realise that you're only bringing up a tiny fraction of the story. There's no "ton" of relationship stuff unless you consider the entirety of lore to be in the gigaton range.

[Niwes]

Page 1712 in some pre-xpac thread 2022 is all about „marriages in WoW“.

this says A LOT about
- the game’s state.
- the difference to some older xpacs.
- the lack of other things to discuss, like i.e. content, features, etc.
- how many ppls are even left in WoW, to discuss something.

harsh times.

[Nymrohd]

Page 1712 in some pre-xpac thread 2022 is all about „marriages in WoW“.

this says A LOT about
- the game’s state.
- the difference to some older xpacs.
- the lack of other things to discuss, like i.e. content, features, etc.
- how many ppls are even left in WoW, to discuss something.

harsh times.

I mean I keep bringing other issues but people just dismiss them. I think it says less about the game and more about the people active in this thread.

[sensei-]

Page 1712 in some pre-xpac thread 2022 is all about „marriages in WoW“.

this says A LOT about
- the game’s state.
- the difference to some older xpacs.
- the lack of other things to discuss, like i.e. content, features, etc.
- how many ppls are even left in WoW, to discuss something.

harsh times.

Crawl back to your hole. The players got what they wanted. No systems whatsoever. People aren’t posting as much because there isn’t as much to flame and big streamers with hordes of mind slaves are generally positive.

No power behind any grinds. You have m+, raids and PvP (vastly improved by solo rated) and professions. You can choose which endgame activity you like.

[Nymrohd]

Btw another random thing; the Gnoll boss from the Azure Span dungeon doesn't actually die, she escapes. I guess she is going to come back? Maybe far fetched but while I don't see direct Galakrond references, Decay magic seems to be his province and is shown as the opposite of Order (even though that's Fel?) so maybe she'll show up again later in the expac if Galakrond comes back.

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No power behind any grinds. You have m+, raids and PvP (vastly improved by solo rated) and professions. You can choose which endgame activity you like.

Professions are in no way an endgame activity on par with M+/Raids/PvP. It is an activity that is done at end game but it has a stunted gear progression and the cost and time required to get there is far less than just doing normal world content.

[huth]

Btw another random thing; the Gnoll boss from the Azure Span dungeon doesn't actually die, she escapes. I guess she is going to come back? Maybe far fetched but while I don't see direct Galakrond references, Decay magic seems to be his province and is shown as the opposite of Order (even though that's Fel?) so maybe she'll show up again later in the expac if Galakrond comes back.

Isn't Decay the opposite of Spirit, i.e. Elemental magic?

[Nymrohd]

Isn't Decay the opposite of Spirit, i.e. Elemental magic?

It is. It's how you enslave the elements (what the Taunka use) as well. Yet the gnoll Decay magic was used in a more literal sense (disease) and more importantly the reagent system in DF juxtaposes Order with Decay; we get reagents for Air, Earth, Fire, Frost (not water), Order and Decay. Though at the same time I guess in the past we have gotten Life and Shadow which are also not opposites (Light and Death would be).

Anyway I'd doubt they'd keep a leveling dungeon boss alive who doesn't even get a story in her own dungeon and zone questline for something beyond fodder in a future raid later in the expac. We didn't even hear about Wratheye during questing, she is just in the dungeon and not even talkative there. So I assume she'll be reused at a raid.

[Lahis]

Isn't Decay the opposite of Spirit, i.e. Elemental magic?

Decay is elemental magic associated with death, Spirit is elemental magic associated with life and this aligns ln both cosmology charts. They're opposite pairings.

As of now that is. Dunno how they'll aling if we get 3rd perspective on the cosmology chart.

[Dracullus]

I realized that GoT prequel (House of the Dragon) will have finale same week we expect pre-patch. Pretty lucky for Blizz, cause it was unknown if show will be even good before it started.

[huth]

It is. It's how you enslave the elements (what the Taunka use) as well. Yet the gnoll Decay magic was used in a more literal sense (disease) and more importantly the reagent system in DF juxtaposes Order with Decay; we get reagents for Air, Earth, Fire, Frost (not water), Order and Decay.´

Which makes Order the odd one out, being the only non-elemental one. Though i don't think it's in there as an opposite to anything; it's there because the land is heavily Titan influenced. Meanwhile, Spirit is missing because Azeroth is siphoning it off to sustain herself, so there wouldn't be any for us to use.