Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

People would need loot in LFR and just disenchant it in front of everyone else.

Or you know, maybe they need it for transmog? Which is just as valid a reason to get loot. Atleast people with higher ilvl will still carry (if they aren't assholes).

[Sondrelk]

Or you know, maybe they need it for transmog? Which is just as valid a reason to get loot. Atleast people with higher ilvl will still carry (if they aren't assholes).

The issue is more likely what happened in Dragon Soul. Putting Need on everything, both copies of the same thing, or even stuff you don't need for throughout, or can even equip.
I still vividly remember Dragon Soul weapons going to random people who then disappeared. Whether someone got double of the polearms, or a druid picking the sword.

[Lady Atia]

The issue is more likely what happened in Dragon Soul. Putting Need on everything, both copies of the same thing, or even stuff you don't need for throughout, or can even equip.
I still vividly remember Dragon Soul weapons going to random people who then disappeared. Whether someone got double of the polearms, or a druid picking the sword.

I would imagine you will only be able to roll on stuff you can actually use. So for example a warrior should not be able to roll on the bow from the last boss, atleast not for need, unless there are no hunters in the raid.

[Nymrohd]

Any queued content should definitely remain as forced personal loot simply for the sanity of the participants. There's no possible way of making this work there.

Half the reason people hate LFR even to this day is probably that they tried group loot in it originally back in DS.

[Nathanyel]

Guys, I can't believe even here people speculate Group Loot is a beta-only thing, just for testing. /facepalm

Sure, if it's bugged or it sucks in another way, it'll get changed, but otherwise, this is what we're going to get in live Dragonflight, too.

I personally don't mind this being just Group Loot, but I can see them adding Master Loot as an option for guild groups, too.

[Nymrohd]

Guys, I can't believe even here people speculate Group Loot is a beta-only thing, just for testing. /facepalm

Sure, if it's bugged or it sucks in another way, it'll get changed, but otherwise, this is what we're going to get in live Dragonflight, too.

I personally don't mind this being just Group Loot, but I can see them adding Master Loot as an option for guild groups, too.

You really don't see the problem for the fairly popular PuG raiding?

[Nathanyel]

You really don't see the problem for the fairly popular PuG raiding?

I barely addressed this, but sure, there can be issues, with e.g. a Warrior needing a Caster weapon just for the Mog, but then they are kicked from the group.
It's honestly not that different from someone refusing to trade the personal loot they got, despite having an item 6 iLvl higher.

[Arkura]

You really don't see the problem for the fairly popular PuG raiding?

Master loot was not any better imo, before you joined you had to check if a gazillion items were reserved. If Blizz does this correctly it can work out, making it so people who dont need or cant even use an itemnis unable to need it. Could also make it so you cannot need roll if you have higher ilvl in that slot and before you say you can just take it before pull I dont see why this shouldnt include items in your bag.

If Blizz want us to get the feeling of winning loot again so badly they should just add a loot or money dice to the personal loot so basically you can see if the boss gives you loot or not much like a coin roll from mop and onwards. Aslong as we have a fair loot distribution system I dont mind either way.

[gcsmith]

You really don't see the problem for the fairly popular PuG raiding?

Nope, because It worked fairly well back in the day too. Because PUGs establish the rules before hand.
The only issue is blizzard bringing this back without the Customer Support.

[Makorus]

I mean, dedicated Raiding Guilds don't give a shit whether it is Personal Loot, Group Loot or Master Loot, as long as the Trading Restrictions are gone. Personal Loot is just Master Loot by proxy, just like Group Loot. The Raid Leader needs on everything, everyone elses passes, and then you trade it to the respective person.

But by making it Group Loot, Blizzard fucked over PUGs really badly. Should have just kept it Personal Loot without the Trade Restrictions, and that way you also avoid the "No Hunter but bow drops" issue.

[Lahis]

I mean people would just need everything I assume. Which as you said would be terrible. Only way to do LFR would be to leave raid chat.

That's how Dragon Soul LFR worked.

[Makorus]

This whole LFR Debate is completely pointless.

It was personal loot before personal loot was even a thing.

It was "Personal Loot" when ordinary loot was Group/Master Loot (i.e. WOD/Legion). Why would it be different now?

[Dracullus]

People still gear up in LFR? World content gives faster and higher loot since like 6.2, so 7 years ago.

[Shadochi]

People still gear up in LFR? World content gives faster and higher loot since like 6.2, so 7 years ago.

Yeah... no...
Might've been the case up to S3, but not now in S4. Where in the open world can I get 265-272 pieces?

But even beyond that, yes some people do gear in LFR, world loot even if same item level might have worse itemization than open world loot, and trinkets and special effect items (weapons usually) are better from raid.
Also there is the whole point of people going into LFR just to get the LFR version of transmog which is affected by loot rules.

Now OT: LFR is probably gonna stay as is for loot

[huth]

That's how Dragon Soul LFR worked.

Or rather, didn't.

[Sondrelk]

Or rather, didn't.

No it really was. Everyone needed on everything they could possibly use. Either because they didn't know how the game worked, or because they were trolling. If someone got double weapons they tended to just ignore those who also needed one, again because they either didn't know how to trade, or actually considered the gold important.

Personal loot was added for the express purpose of making gearing in LFR painless.

[klaps_05]

Actually like the Group loot change - the social experiment known as personal loot can finally end, after making ppl suffer through it for years.

[Avikur]

Master loot was not any better imo, before you joined you had to check if a gazillion items were reserved. If Blizz does this correctly it can work out, making it so people who dont need or cant even use an itemnis unable to need it. Could also make it so you cannot need roll if you have higher ilvl in that slot and before you say you can just take it before pull I dont see why this shouldnt include items in your bag.

If Blizz want us to get the feeling of winning loot again so badly they should just add a loot or money dice to the personal loot so basically you can see if the boss gives you loot or not much like a coin roll from mop and onwards. Aslong as we have a fair loot distribution system I dont mind either way.

I don't agree on the ilvl restrictions, what if I had a 250 ilvl chest and a 245 ilvl tier chest dropped? Yes it's a lower ilvl but that might make my 2 or 4 set bonus which would be a DPS gain so it'd be reasonable to 'need' it imo

[Makorus]

No it really was. Everyone needed on everything they could possibly use. Either because they didn't know how the game worked, or because they were trolling. If someone got double weapons they tended to just ignore those who also needed one, again because they either didn't know how to trade, or actually considered the gold important.

Personal loot was added for the express purpose of making gearing in LFR painless.

No, it wasn't.

LFR was "personal loot" since MoP, but not the personal loot they introduced in Legion(?)

[Dracullus]

Yeah... no...
Might've been the case up to S3, but not now in S4. Where in the open world can I get 265-272 pieces

Season 4 is exception, world content wasn't updated so LFR has better gear first time since Blackrock Foundry days.