Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Avikur]

Anyway, now that WotLK Classic is released, when do you think we'll get the Dragonflight release date?

I don't think it'll be too long, IF the pre patch really is out on 25th October then they'll want to announce it fairly soon

[Nymrohd]

I don't think it'll be too long, IF the pre patch really is out on 25th October then they'll want to announce it fairly soon

They won't announce anything before the end of season warning and actual confirmed date will only come a few days earlier.

[Avikur]

They won't announce anything before the end of season warning and actual confirmed date will only come a few days earlier.

They'll announce the expansion release date soon, from that we'll have a rough idea of pre patch date give or take a few weeks

[Arai]

I still think they should utilize assets they create newly for an expansion/patch better.

They did this a bit in BfA (Crucible of the Storm) and Legion (Trial of Valor) but none in SL. And even BfA and Legion weren't really doing this as they could.

Just release more 1-2boss raids (in .5 patches for example) using assets you already have in the open world, just creating an encounter. And maybe even do a pre-season at expansion start where there are maybe 3-4 bosses spread over a few mini raids tying up some plotlines in zones or moving cool scenes to them (my example always is how Ysera's death would've been much more epic in a 1 boss raid, they just needed to make her mechanics work for a group). Heck it can just have N and HC difficulty where HC drops equivalent to Normal of first season or maybe slightly lower. Nobody will be able to fully gear from this but a few pieces are nice and good variety.
And the ones I suggest in .5 patches maybe drop loot equivalent to last few bosses of that tier on same difficulty or like +3/4, or just have like effects or something. Like how putting an ending to SL leveling zone stories could be cool via a 1-2 boss raid each.

And then for dungeons, I have no idea why they ever stopped doing dungeon wings. Its a great way to create a couple dungeons without making much assets. When I initially saw 9.1 I was hoping we would be getting 2-3 dungeon wings based on torghast assets, with bosses from torghast as bosses there. Same again with ZM and sepulcher themed ones. Not all raids I guess would work perfectly with wings, but a lot can. Especially from the torghast assets they wouldn't need to create rooms or maps since they have them already a bunch (and honestly in 6 different styles...).

Hopefully DF won't stick to the template of BfA and SL of having a patch with raid and mega dungeon and then no other dungeons added. I would hope that by the time S3 comes to DF and we have went through all 8 DF dungeons in M+ but by then there were 4 more added in DF that are S3 M+ (like 2 pataches with 2 dungeons or 2 dungeons and 1 megadung split up). I also don't just want it to be just 3 or 4 long raids for the expansion, and after the first patch the leveling zones are no longer relevant. But somehow as much as I have faith in DF I'm not sure if this is gonna happen and they will probably just follow the template

Very true 100% agree. Sick of having so few dungeons and raids while all the assets are there. Even most boss mechanics nowadays are just slight variations of already existing ones. The sheer lack of content in SL really showed in comparison to Legion.

[Nymrohd]

Even most boss mechanics nowadays are just slight variations of already existing ones.

I think that's unfair. Beyond the fact that the backlog of existing mechanics in a game this old is insane, they constantly add new systems and mechanics in dungeons and raids.

[Shadochi]

I think that's unfair. Beyond the fact that the backlog of existing mechanics in a game this old is insane, they constantly add new systems and mechanics in dungeons and raids.

This definitely, and I always find that each expansion has a couple new unique mechanics to its raids or dungeons that then later appear more often in future.
Example being I think the sword slice mechanic (cant remember exact name) on Denathrius appeared there first time and then a variation of it was used on the Nine.

But TBH with how old the game is im still surprised that they can come up with unique feeling encounters, since the boss isn't just about its abilities but also the room it is placed in

[Arai]

I think that's unfair. Beyond the fact that the backlog of existing mechanics in a game this old is insane, they constantly add new systems and mechanics in dungeons and raids.

Who cares im not gonna go through all bosses and make examples. They have a ton of mechanics from old bosses they could use to tinker a few bosses together every patch. There is no reason the amount of content we get is this low. They already use all those old mechanics for quest mobs and rares.

[Dracullus]

Anyway, now that WotLK Classic is released, when do you think we'll get the Dragonflight release date?

Assuming it's Oct 25th/Nov 28th I think full schedule (pre-patch, event/Evoker early access, launch, season 1) will be revealed within 3 weeks. Now is best time, hype for WoTLK is not that huge, but still more people are focused on WoW news this week.

[Sondrelk]

You don't remember Falric and Marwyn? The voice lines alone make them very memorable. Honestly no one framed Arthas for story purposes better in the entire expac than those two and after the dungeon I ended up wishing they had shown up a lot more as Arthas left and right hands instead of using Arthas constantly.

Some of the raid dungeon bosses are good, but seemingly the developers struggle with making that many unique boss concepts and areas.

Either we have an ICC situation where the dungeons are leftover assets and cutting room raid bosses.
Or we have the End Time situation, where the good ideas are used up by the dungeons and the raid is severely lacking.

The concept of mega-dungeons seem to work much better. Allowing the developers to use a good idea that isn't quite right for a raid, without having to skimp on detail.

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This definitely, and I always find that each expansion has a couple new unique mechanics to its raids or dungeons that then later appear more often in future.
Example being I think the sword slice mechanic (cant remember exact name) on Denathrius appeared there first time and then a variation of it was used on the Nine.

But TBH with how old the game is im still surprised that they can come up with unique feeling encounters, since the boss isn't just about its abilities but also the room it is placed in

Unique bosses using the actual arena is a bit of a rarity though. Stuff like Halondrus or G'huun is the kind of encounter that players really remember.

[Lady Atia]

Some of the raid dungeon bosses are good, but seemingly the developers struggle with making that many unique boss concepts and areas.

Either we have an ICC situation where the dungeons are leftover assets and cutting room raid bosses.
Or we have the End Time situation, where the good ideas are used up by the dungeons and the raid is severely lacking.

The concept of mega-dungeons seem to work much better. Allowing the developers to use a good idea that isn't quite right for a raid, without having to skimp on detail.

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Unique bosses using the actual arena is a bit of a rarity though. Stuff like Halondrus or G'huun is the kind of encounter that players really remember.

I would love to forget about both tbh ... horrible encounters, especially Halondrus Mythic pre-nerf.

*shudders*

[Bsirk]

Assuming it's Oct 25th/Nov 28th I think full schedule (pre-patch, event/Evoker early access, launch, season 1) will be revealed within 3 weeks. Now is best time, hype for WoTLK is not that huge, but still more people are focused on WoW news this week.

Idk...my buddy was in a almost 5k queue to be able to play yesterday. This wasn't one of the more popular servers either. I think there is definitely some nostalgia hype or hype from players who were never able to experience it when it came out originally.

[Gorsameth]

Some of the raid dungeon bosses are good, but seemingly the developers struggle with making that many unique boss concepts and areas.

Either we have an ICC situation where the dungeons are leftover assets and cutting room raid bosses.
Or we have the End Time situation, where the good ideas are used up by the dungeons and the raid is severely lacking.

The concept of mega-dungeons seem to work much better. Allowing the developers to use a good idea that isn't quite right for a raid, without having to skimp on detail.

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Unique bosses using the actual arena is a bit of a rarity though. Stuff like Halondrus or G'huun is the kind of encounter that players really remember.

Didn't raid Halondrus but we killed G'Huun once and went 'fuck that, we're never coming back' so it was memorable, just not in the way you would want it to be.

[Nyel]

So, with WotLK Classic launch today, I expect the release date announcement towards the end of the week or next week. They basically can't wait any longer as the pre patch has to hit within the next 4 weeks. It's already long overdue to tell us the launch date.

[Avikur]

Assuming it's Oct 25th/Nov 28th I think full schedule (pre-patch, event/Evoker early access, launch, season 1) will be revealed within 3 weeks. Now is best time, hype for WoTLK is not that huge, but still more people are focused on WoW news this week.

So do we think it’ll be like Legion where the early access to Evokers will be staggered and not live when pre patch launches? In Legion DH’s came 3 weeks into pre patch

https://www.wowhead.com/guide=7.0.3-pre-patch

[Nymrohd]

Yeah I think if we were going to mention boss encounters with dynamic use of the room, we would not go with G'huun, we'd go with BRF as a whole (Hans and Franz, Thogar, Blackhand) or for something recent maybe Painsmith.

[Shadochi]

Some of the raid dungeon bosses are good, but seemingly the developers struggle with making that many unique boss concepts and areas.

Either we have an ICC situation where the dungeons are leftover assets and cutting room raid bosses.
Or we have the End Time situation, where the good ideas are used up by the dungeons and the raid is severely lacking.

The concept of mega-dungeons seem to work much better. Allowing the developers to use a good idea that isn't quite right for a raid, without having to skimp on detail.

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Unique bosses using the actual arena is a bit of a rarity though. Stuff like Halondrus or G'huun is the kind of encounter that players really remember.

Maybe not to that extent, but it happens quite often. Shriekwing, Sludgefist and Lady Inerva in Nathria have interaction with the environment, Painsmith in SoD and such. The ones you mentioned are just walking that is the interaction (granted I don't have M experience with that tier), and carapace is similar. but what I'm saying is that it isn't such a rarity to integrate the environment to some extent and make the boss fight different.
Best to do is think, "how would this boss be different if it was just on a flat platform? What mechanics would be missing?". Sure there are plenty of bosses like that (Nerzhul, Anduin, Denathrius, and so on) but there has been also a lot where the mechanics don't just come from the mobs in the encounter

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Yeah I think if we were going to mention boss encounters with dynamic use of the room, we would not go with G'huun, we'd go with BRF as a whole (Hans and Franz, Thogar, Blackhand) or for something recent maybe Painsmith.

Yeah as i mentioned in my reply above the variety of room interactions can be answered in one question, how much does the fight change if it was in a flat platform without objects, just mobs?
And each tier in SL had at least a few bosses that have interaction

[Auxis]

We know a lot about their workings and whatnot, but they're never called a Pantheon once, and it is implied that they exist above Godhood or anything akin to that. They are the Architects of Existence, and creators of the Pattern.

Also, why not? Cosmic Elemental exploration would be cool asf.

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The elements exist everywhere, not just on Azeroth, so why not have there be mini home areas and MINI Zereths for them?

I think the 4 elements (Fire, Air, Water, Earth) are exclusive to reality. But it would be interesting to see where they fit into reality as a whole. They have to have some kind of origin in reality, considering they appear to embrace all worlds in reality.

Unless they are somehow linked to Life as they are reliant of Spirit to function? (On Draenor - where Spirit was balanced and plentiful - they were peaceful; on Azeroth - where Spirit was in high demand due to the World Soul draining it to grow - the elements were chaotic).

[Shadochi]

My thinking of the first ones is that they are not as much actual being as they might be a concept, like giving personality to a cosmic force and what they represent.

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I still want further development of titans visiting Draenor and the old god trying to be summoned in Shadowmoon Valley on Outland. And then there is also one of the Invasion points in Legion where we se tentacles and other old god stuff.

Just because we have mostly dealt with the 4 on Azeroth doesn't mean we will never deal with them again.

If we're going to have a cosmic force expansion my #1 wish is to have it be located on K'aresh, since lore seems to be pointing to it being a titan soul that was devoured by the void and for all we know the manifestation of Dimensius that was killable might not mean he is actually dead.
And K'aresh expansion would allow us to have a modern graphics Outland style continent

[micwini]

So, with WotLK Classic launch today, I expect the release date announcement towards the end of the week or next week. They basically can't wait any longer as the pre patch has to hit within the next 4 weeks. It's already long overdue to tell us the launch date.

Tomorrow would be nice timing; exactly 2 months beforehand

[Shadochi]

Tomorrow would be nice timing; exactly 2 months beforehand

Feels weird that we haven't gotten the release date yet (usually we get it like half a year before), but I'm guessing since they didn't announce a delay to 2023 yet its going as planned. In reality if prepatch is 4 weeks long then they can also just announce it 5-6 weeks before hand with prepatch announcement, and those are usually only 1-2 weeks in advance.

My guess is that they probably did https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...re-mostly-dead 2 months before they plan on releasing prepatch.

I know of the supposed leak that got WotLK timing right, but things might've changed since that doc was created