Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

Apparently they do these waves manually or semi-manually so waves can take a couple days

[Gigantique]

Even though the system *functions* the same way, my reaction to Personal Loot giving someone an item and they say they need it for transmog will be a whole lot different than someone pressing need on it and "taking" it from me for the same reason.

No difference on a technical level, player reactions will be night and day.

[Revamp Man]

It was pretty obvious to me that group loot will have more modern rules that would prevent from snatching item you don't even need. But I see from wowhead comments still some people have problem with understanding system even after this blue post.

So in general, positives changes are: no more "do you neeeeeeed?" and whispers; yep I clicked 'need', I need this; and second, this will discourage class stacking. Only big problem I see are weapon types that only few specs use, like bows/guns for 2 hunter or warglaives for 2 demon hunter specs.



Don't worry, you will find something to call DF worst shit ever created. Probably when you find out that flying mounts have gravity or sth.

Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though

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Even though the system *functions* the same way, my reaction to Personal Loot giving someone an item and they say they need it for transmog will be a whole lot different than someone pressing need on it and "taking" it from me for the same reason.

No difference on a technical level, player reactions will be night and day.

The situation where that works would require it to be an upgrade in terms of ilvl for both of you with the new system

If they have something higher or equal it prioritizes the roll of the person with lower gear

[Nymrohd]

Btw just noticed, the Dracthyr escorting the Alliance boat to Dragon Isles are all posing with swords.

[r4vio928]

Feels incredibly bad man, having bought every single deluxe edition there is, playing since vanilla, when I got beta, I made a lot of bug reports etc...
Nothing...just...nothing.

Idk, I always felt like beta would just spoil things for when it hits live.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything

your stilling taking loot that would have gone to others with PL the only difference is that it’s all on the back end so our party can’t see you doing it deliberately.

[Makabreska]

So in general, positives changes are: no more "do you neeeeeeed?" and whispers; yep I clicked 'need', I need this; and second, this will discourage class stacking. Only big problem I see are weapon types that only few specs use, like bows/guns for 2 hunter or warglaives for 2 demon hunter specs.

What do you mean no more? Items will remain fully tradable to eligible players after you win a roll, so of course peeps will get plenty of whispers.

[Nymrohd]

your stilling taking loot that would have gone to others with PL the only difference is that it’s all on the back end so our party can’t see you doing it deliberately.

But that's the crux. By removing player agency you are also absolving them of responsibility.

[Nyel]

Btw just noticed, the Dracthyr escorting the Alliance boat to Dragon Isles are all posing with swords.

What are you supposing?

[Dracullus]

What do you mean no more? Items will remain fully tradable to eligible players after you win a roll, so of course peeps will get plenty of whispers.

Because currently it's not clear that you need item when you get it, you can get it randomly, that's why people ask. Especially since people do LFR or even higher difficulty for different things than gear, so they often indeed don't need gear.

Now you will hit button NEED before you get item, which imply that, yes, you need that. Sure, you still can get angry whisper from some shithead, but that person will know he will achieve nothing.

Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though

Yeah, you're probably right, only 'problematic' weapons are warglaives, agi ranged and agi daggers anyway.

I signed up for DF Beta...

:3 still waiting for it...

Eh, it's just 2 months, don't spoil yourself at this point.

[Makabreska]

Because currently it's not clear that you need item when you get it, you can get it randomly, that's why people ask. Especially since people do LFR or even higher difficulty for different things than gear, so they often indeed don't need gear.

Now you will hit button NEED before you get item, which imply that, yes, you need that. Sure, you still can get angry whisper from some shithead, but that person will know he will achieve nothing.

You really do not know player base if you think it will reduce whispers. "Pls I really need that, plsplsplsplsplspls", "Bro, y u need that? It has shit stats for your spec", "WTF??? You alr have 2 set, give it to someone else!" Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll.

[Gigantique]

Dude it took months for players to realize flex in MoP was winged...I don't expect much from the group

I think the weapon problem won't be as bad as we are assuming though

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The situation where that works would require it to be an upgrade in terms of ilvl for both of you with the new system

If they have something higher or equal it prioritizes the roll of the person with lower gear

Nah from what I read it would only cancel them out if they had the EXACT same item? Because in that scenario I could be denied an actual upgrade if I had a ring with 5 more ilvl but horrible stats for my spec etc.

So anyone can need for anything if it's their main spec and they don't have the same item I think?

[Nymrohd]

What are you supposing?

Just saying, they are already shown using weapons.

[Revamp Man]

Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
That's me I'm degenerates

[Lady Atia]

Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
That's me I'm degenerates

Hahahahaha. Jokes aside, I'm kinda glad that the days of these boe farm groups are over.

[Celement]

Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
That's me I'm degenerates

I mean they are locked but if you wanna farm the 1g 53s more power to you.

[huth]

Apparently they do these waves manually or semi-manually so waves can take a couple days

More like "to not accidentally DDOS somebody".

[Dracullus]

You really do not know player base if you think it will reduce whispers. "Pls I really need that, plsplsplsplsplspls", "Bro, y u need that? It has shit stats for your spec", "WTF??? You alr have 2 set, give it to someone else!" Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll.

But they never will get anything from whispers, now they often do, so it's worth a shot.

Btw, do you often get "dude plsplspls gimme that instead he doesn't need it" from person #1 when you put some item on roll and person #2 win? No, 99% people just move on, it's not 2012 now there are multiple sources of loot and raid is far from most effictient. But sure, whatever you say. Let's review it in few months.

"Guaranteed people wont even pay attention to whether item was won in Need roll." Kinda obvious it was won in need roll if you pressed need and didn't get it.

[Revamp Man]

More like "to not accidentally DDOS somebody".

I mean yeah that's a possible reason lol

[loras]

Group loot will still have loot lock for the week I'm assuming

Also there will be degenerates that will go in for the miniboss kills to scoop up Boe items
That's me I'm degenerates

Brought me a chuckle that.
Personally i've never bothered.