Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Caiphon]

Yrel was also essentially a teenager (by Draenei standards) who went from a slave, to the de-facto Prophet leader of the Draenei race, all in the span of a few weeks/months. She also experienced great personal trauma when she saw her sister sacrificed to the Void powers and her mentor's sacrifice to save Karabor from destruction. It makes sense that she would be more unstable/naive and easier to manipulate for the Naaru. She is clearly a very young adult who has been messed up by all the traumas and shocking events that happened back to back in short time. Such people tend to be manipulated easily.

Turalyon is not like Yrel. He is wise and experienced enough to understand that cooperation is more important than blind faith, as he proved in Legion, BfA, and continues to prove to the present expansion.

That assuems the Naaru actually bother to persuade people through logic. X'era clearly didn't have such intentions when she tried to 'convert' Illidan, and as others have pointed out Turalyon actually loses the glow in his eyes after X'era is destroyed. If this means that he was freed of her sway over him, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have another Naaru Prime (or something even higher up in the Naaru hierarchy) take control again. It's probably easier for light-based beings to control light-wielding individuals rather than fel-wielding ones like Illidan anyway.

The Light has made a deal with the enemy of all or something? I think the Light expansion will introduce us to the seventh force (and I think Calia is the cat's paw for their scheme on Azeroth, not Turalyon).

I don't really see Calia being enough of a threat even if she is controlled by the Light. She's merely a member of the Desolate Council and even if she suceeds in swaying half the Forsaken it's a minority in the Horde (which generally sways towards shamanism and druidism). Turalyon on the other hand is actin in stead of the High King and the Light is also very prevalent with the major Alliance races. Turalyon being controlled by the Naaru along with human/dwarven/draenei priests would be capable of far more damage than the Light having one seat in the Forsaken council.

[Varodoc]

That assuems the Naaru actually bother to persuade people through logic. X'era clearly didn't have such intentions when she tried to 'convert' Illidan, and as others have pointed out Turalyon actually loses the glow in his eyes after X'era is destroyed. If this means that he was freed of her sway over him, it wouldn't be unreasonable to have another Naaru Prime (or something even higher up in the Naaru hierarchy) take control again. It's probably easier for light-based beings to control light-wielding individuals rather than fel-wielding ones like Illidan anyway.

Curious that you are so focused on Turalyon, but pay no attention whatsoever to Lady Liadrin, who is directly paralleled with Turalyon in the Stromgarde Warfront, and does actually have golden eyes.

Maybe we'll have a villain Liadrin and a Siege of Silvermoon. They even have a giant magical source of Light in the middle of their kingdom.

[Revamp Man]

Or they can just remove the time gating on LFR.

Change the system for me because I don't want to participate in the current system

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The Light has made a deal with the enemy of all or something? I think the Light expansion will introduce us to the seventh force (and I think Calia is the cat's paw for their scheme on Azeroth, not Turalyon).

The light has allied with the children of Azeroth

Azeroth isn't just a regular titan I'm calling it now

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Not gonna happen for now. So the only choice you got is pug, or find a guild. And it's really easy to find a guild.

Kay raid testing starts.

But you don't understand

I would rather sit in q for 45 minutes and then wipe on the miniboss a few times then spend an hour on 3 bosses I stead of spending a few hours for most of the raid at better gear levels

[Caiphon]

Curious that you are so focused on Turalyon, but pay no attention whatsoever to Lady Liadrin, who is directly paralleled with Turalyon in the Stromgarde Warfront, and does actually have golden eyes.

Maybe we'll have a villain Liadrin and a Siege of Silvermoon. They even have a giant magical source of Light in the middle of their kingdom.

Until Anduin finally returns to his throne Turalyon is basically the High King of the Alliance, which is equivalent to the Horde Warchief. Liadrin isn't even lord of the blood elves but the matriarch of the Blood Knights (probably not even 5% of Silvermoon's population). There's a pretty dramatic difference in the amount of damage they can cause when controlled by the Light.

Imagine how the BfA-SL arc would have played out if instead of Sylvanas the villain was some Alliance death knight (Thassarian maybe?) - that's what a Light expansion would be with Liadrin or Calia as a main villain. You'd have a hard time convincing people that this is a world scale catastrophe. There just isn't a High King/Warchief level individual strongly affiliated with the Light in the Horde.

[Nymrohd]

Until Anduin finally returns to his throne Turalyon is basically the High King of the Alliance, which is equivalent to the Horde Warchief. Liadrin isn't even lord of the blood elves but the matriarch of the Blood Knights (probably not even 5% of Silvermoon's population). There's a pretty dramatic difference in the amount of damage they can cause when controlled by the Light.

Imagine how the BfA-SL arc would have played out if instead of Sylvanas the villain was some Alliance death knight (Thassarian maybe?) - that's what a Light expansion would be with Liadrin or Calia as a main villain. You'd have a hard time convincing people that this is a world scale catastrophe. There just isn't a High King/Warchief level individual strongly affiliated with the Light in the Horde.

Liadrin is probably got to get her time in the limelight later this xpac. Her daughter has clearly done something horrid to the dragons. Perhaps she is involved with Murozond somehow? A character can be turned from nothing to someone central with just a couple of patches of story.

[Khaza-R]

Sure. They already have it, as you shown. Very possible we will be against Naaru at some point, but not all of them will be these controlling freaks.

One of my favorite fake leaks had something to do with a mysterious red naaru failing from the sky, being found by the Scarlets and used to basically subjugate some of the most devote lightbearers on Azeroth like Liadrin, Velen, Turalyon, Calia, etc.

I typically don't like the whole the Light is evil concept tossed around by the community but that's a story I would be engaged with. Either way I expect the Naaru to be relevant again in the future. They're the perfect vessel to for a Light vs Void story.

[Makabreska]

One of my favorite fake leaks had something to do with a mysterious red naaru failing from the sky, being found by the Scarlets and used to basically subjugate some of the most devote lightbearers on Azeroth like Liadrin, Velen, Turalyon, Calia, etc.

I typically don't like the whole the Light is evil concept tossed around by the community but that's a story I would be engaged with. Either way I expect the Naaru to be relevant again in the future. They're the perfect vessel to for a Light vs Void story.

Light is not evil. It is a neutral tool that can be used for different things. It can heal wounds or MC peeps. Also, we don't really need red Naaru, when standard yellow ones do MC pretty well already.

[Nokster10]

Or they can just remove the time gating on LFR.

Or they can remove lfr since it adds nothing to the game except creating a cesspool of horrible players.

[Makabreska]

Or they can remove lfr since it adds nothing to the game except creating a cesspool of horrible players.

Tell us where LFR or it's players hurt you.

[huth]

Actually talking to your group members and organizing the loot as a group rather than "looks like i got the trinket again. yay."

Your group is rewarded for the effort. It's just as much as a psychological thing as a reward distribution thing.

Then again, if they just changed how personal loot worked in the first place and made you able to trade it with no restrictions, then perhaps there would be less complaint.

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Group loot also combats armor-class stacking. Which, in fairness, this expansion likely may need, if certain classes are tuned way better than others with the new balance and class reworks. People are gonna go elitist-mode.

Yes, that was my point. With Personal, you actually need to do that. With Group you don't.

[r4vio928]

Tell us where LFR or it's players hurt you.

Right in the A

I am a big advocate for LFR returning to it's original incarnation, where it was the same difficulty as normal. The turnover was worse, but at least a group eventually figured things out, and completed it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Right in the A

I am a big advocate for LFR returning to it's original incarnation, where it was the same difficulty as normal. The turnover was worse, but at least a group eventually figured things out, and completed it.

Nah its fine, just leave it alone.

[r4vio928]

Nah its fine, just leave it alone.

Well, I'm certainly not going to argue with batman.

[huth]

Right in the A

I am a big advocate for LFR returning to it's original incarnation, where it was the same difficulty as normal. The turnover was worse, but at least a group eventually figured things out, and completed it.

That never actually happened. LFR was always easier.

[r4vio928]

That never actually happened. LFR was always easier.

It did, it was first called Raid finder, and it was on par with normal.

[Khaza-R]

Light is not evil. It is a neutral tool that can be used for different things. It can heal wounds or MC peeps. Also, we don't really need red Naaru, when standard yellow ones do MC pretty well already.

Certain people have always postured that the Light isn't good. Or is actually malevolent in nature. It was subversive plot concept as old as TBC ever since the Naaru were added.

I agree. But Naaru do have a color scheme of some sort. It wouldn't be bad exploring it.

[Catastrophy349]

Did anyone put CC on and/or listen to what was actually said in the trailer?

Nozdormu: The future will unfold as it was meant to. Open your mind to what is yet to come.
Wrathion: Events are unfolding that imperil us all.
Ebyssian: The threat is greater than you know, young ones. We must join forces and strike now.
Nozdormu: You balance upon the cusp of destiny. All that matters is this moment.

I can't believe I missed the best part: Nozdormu/Murozond are on the thumbnail for the WoW Dragonflight Date Announce Trailer. Cool!

[huth]

It did, it was first called Raid finder, and it was on par with normal.

It doesn't get any more true if you repeat it. Raid Finder was explicitly and deliberately easier than Normal, about on par with Baradin Hold i.e. World Boss equivalent. And it's still called Raid Finder officially.

[Dairylegend]

Hi everyone was there a beta invite wave this week?

[Revamp Man]

Hi everyone was there a beta invite wave this week?

They do it relatively slowly but by the end of the week most will