1. #68221
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Well, that's how people operate, and Arthas was an old story by that time.
    That's why I said in "stories". I just don't find it interesting storytelling. Besides, they don't have free will, they are just written that way. I'm just saying it didn't need to be written or part of her character development.

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    Presumptious to assume people don't eventually find someone else. Jaina's not that kinda character either(NOt that this is the most important piece of WC lore right now >.>).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Presumptious to assume people don't eventually find someone else. Jaina's not that kinda character either(NOt that this is the most important piece of WC lore right now >.>).
    Ok but did it have to be a dragon? Also, that's not even what I meant! I'm talking about fictional characters. There's a difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Ok but did it have to be a dragon? Also, that's not even what I meant! I'm talking about fictional characters. There's a difference!
    What's wrong with him being a dragon? He can always use his visage form which is as much part of himself as his dragon form. WoW dragons aren't GoT dragons ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    What's wrong with him being a dragon? He can always use his visage form which is as much part of himself as his dragon form. WoW dragons aren't GoT dragons ...
    Sure they are more vastly more "sentient", but they also use those forms to interact with mortals and make them feel more at ease than having to be in their dragon forms all the time. It's more of a "mask" than what they actually are. But I'm just wondering, why would a dragon even find attraction towards a humanoid?

    Then again, this is Kalec we're talking about, not his first time doing something like this.

  6. #68226
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    That's just patch hype wording. The patch notes reworded it so that it showcases that Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher in particular made all things in the Realms of Death.

    SL and Zereth Mortis are basically a taste for things to come regarding the other cosmic realms and their zereths. To give us an idea and general understanding of what to expect going forward with these plots.
    I will accept that all the zareths have automa, but I will point out that establishing that there are 6 automated robot-lands is the least interesting way they could have established a cosmic universe, pretty much hastening the inevitable addition of "Firstier Ones" above the First ones to give the setting a sense of existential mystery.

  7. #68227
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But shouldn't that be the job of Zereth Vitae???
    No. That Zereth works on whatever is in the Realms of Life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Sure they are more vastly more "sentient", but they also use those forms to interact with mortals and make them feel more at ease than having to be in their dragon forms all the time. It's more of a "mask" than what they actually are. But I'm just wondering, why would a dragon even find attraction towards a humanoid?

    Then again, this is Kalec we're talking about, not his first time doing something like this.
    No, it's made clear both in the (actually quite well written) visage form short story and ingame with the Dracthyr that the visage forms are an integral part of themself, not just some mask.

    "Ebyssian said to look inside and let the magic within express how I wanted to be seen."

    And why shouldn't a dragon who spends quite some time in his visage form not find attraction (or better said .... love?) towards a humanoid? Again, it's not like WoW dragons hate it to be in their visage forms or anything.

  9. #68229
    Though fundamentally, the Zereths DO share factors in that each of them build things for Reality.

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    So I guess you're not wrong. Each Zereth is fundamentally built around the pattern, they work as separate but together workshops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I will accept that all the zareths have automa, but I will point out that establishing that there are 6 automated robot-lands is the least interesting way they could have established a cosmic universe, pretty much hastening the inevitable addition of "Firstier Ones" above the First ones to give the setting a sense of existential mystery.
    Why? The existence of the First Ones gives the setting the "existential mystery" you want, and it was needed since Legion took exactly that away from the Titans. I'm quite sure we will see the other Zereths simply because they will be something people want to see - the hype will be on a scale of the Elemental Planes, Nyalotha or Nazjatar, but I somewhat doubt they will repeat the "mistake" from Legion again.

    It's funny how you people seem to criticise exactly the thing you want lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Nope, he nor any other dev in the dev-preview said anything of the sort.

    In fact the very first thing they say about Zereth Mortis is that, and i quote:

    Which they then repeat in some fashion or another a dozen times throughout the damn video.
    An Additional Quote from that video:
    This is the land of progenators & this is their workshop: Where they created everything we experience in the Shadowlands & Azeroth; even realms we have yet to know.
    On a side note they also say 'We will learn more about Zereth Moris & The First Ones themselves over the course of this content" which isn't really true. We learned jack-shit about the First Ones, even if you do all the Enlightened content.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    It's funny how you people seem to criticise exactly the thing you want lol.
    Its funny how you people just want to see the same content over & over but a different shade of green.
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    Another thing. The Primalists keep telling us we are being manipulated and more importantly that "You should have joined us"

    I kind of hope the pre expansion questline actually has them try to recruit us. Maybe meet some people like Koroleth, Kurog and Dathea

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    Seeing other Zereths would be the equivalent of seeing multiple "Ulds" (Uldaman, Ulduar, Uldum etc)

    Though I don't think that they will eventually not make the same mistake the did with the Titans. How long can they keep the First Ones from showing up?

    ALTHOUGH.... Them being dead and gone would be really interesting. Think the Proteans from Mass Effect.

  14. #68234
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Seeing other Zereths would be the equivalent of seeing multiple "Ulds" (Uldaman, Ulduar, Uldum etc)

    Though I don't think that they will eventually not make the same mistake the did with the Titans. How long can they keep the First Ones from showing up?

    ALTHOUGH.... Them being dead and gone would be really interesting. Think the Proteans from Mass Effect.
    Mehhh I don't compare them at all tbh. The Uld facilities can be used to "shape" stuff sure, but they exist as planetary facilities to help reshape already existing worlds and whatnot in a more ordered and "less chaotic" fashion.

    Whereas the Zereths are basically workshops built around a blueprint of existence itself. Where without the Zereths, NOTHING would...well...be a thing or be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    An Additional Quote from that video:

    On a side note they also say 'We will learn more about Zereth Moris & The First Ones themselves over the course of this content" which isn't really true. We learned jack-shit about the First Ones, even if you do all the Enlightened content.Its funny how you people just want to see the same content over & over but a different shade of green.
    We do learn much of the First Ones in a way. We learn their language, we learn how one of their workshops well...work...and we know about how much the pattern is needed for the 6 to be defined and balanced and whatnot.

    And we know that the First Ones seem to exist above the 6 forces as the 6 forces are "showcased" at the Heart of Eternity where we battle Zovaal, they are the blue swirls essentially.

  15. #68235
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Mehhh I don't compare them at all tbh. The Uld facilities can be used to "shape" stuff sure, but they exist as planetary facilities to help reshape already existing worlds and whatnot in a more ordered and "less chaotic" fashion.

    Whereas the Zereths are basically workshops built around a blueprint of existence itself. Where without the Zereths, NOTHING would...well...be a thing or be made.
    I wouldnt even say the Uld prefix denotes something meant to help the world soul, but rather just somewhere the titans or titanforged created.
    Comparatively the Zereths seem to specifically be there to create more of their respective realm, the same way Zereth Mortis just exists to ensure the Shadowlands runs smoothly, and to create more of it if needed.
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    Either they are above the 6, or they're simply away from the 6 or so...which makes me wonder...

    If they're still around, which is most likely what I think, where are they? And why is the Pattern apparently implied to not last?

    I do think the 7th power is a new design, and that's basically one of the last expansions of WoW. The united 6 Forces Vs the 7th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I wouldnt even say the Uld prefix denotes something meant to help the world soul, but rather just somewhere the titans or titanforged created.
    Comparatively the Zereths seem to specifically be there to create more of their respective realm, the same way Zereth Mortis just exists to ensure the Shadowlands runs smoothly, and to create more of it if needed.
    The Uld prefix appears to be a Titan thing overall. I doubt it's Azeroth exclusive. Unless they name their facilities differently, which could make sense. Imagine if they did it based around alphabetical order. Would be AMAZING imo loool

    As for the Zereths, well it's not there to JUST make more of stuff

    The Forge of Afterlives literally MADE EVERY REALM in the Shadowlands! Revendreth, the Maw, Bastion, MAYBE Ardenweald, etc.

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    Seems the Arbiter commissions a a realm to be made, if a soul doesn't fit the existing realms, and the forge analyzes it, and makes a new realm instantly for the soul specifically.

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    In fact, we saw that a new realm was being made prior to Zovaal deactivating it for a bit during 9.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Why? The existence of the First Ones gives the setting the "existential mystery" you want, and it was needed since Legion took exactly that away from the Titans. I'm quite sure we will see the other Zereths simply because they will be something people want to see - the hype will be on a scale of the Elemental Planes, Nyalotha or Nazjatar, but I somewhat doubt they will repeat the "mistake" from Legion again.

    It's funny how you people seem to criticise exactly the thing you want lol.
    "I doubt they'll repeat the same mistake of Legion"

    What mistake? That we met the Titans? Something that was clearly being built up for a bit prior to 7.3?

    The Titans aren't even the creators of the Cosmos. There is no mistake there. If we meet the First Ones, we'll be far into the story to be used to the Cosmic craziness anyway, so who gives a fuck?

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    I hate this idea of us meeting our creators being a bad thing especially considering we've SEEN A VOID LORD (Albeit VERY VERY VERY WEAKENED) AND EVEN FOUGHT IT AKA DIMENSIUS IN THE FIRST EXPANSION OF WOW!!!

    We also fought a VERY VERY BARELT SUMMONED Cosmic Elemental...but it's still a Cosmic Elemental AKA Murmur.

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    Both of which could destroy worlds by the time we faced them btw.

    Now I'm sure an actual Void Lord would look like...well...AZATHOTH or Yog-Sothoth in their true forms, but still. We're not unknown to Cosmic entities in WoW. Lots of people seem to forget this fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Nope, he nor any other dev in the dev-preview said anything of the sort.

    In fact the very first thing they say about Zereth Mortis is that, and i quote:

    Which they then repeat in some fashion or another a dozen times throughout the damn video.
    Yeah. The talk about Azeroth and whatnot however came from the First Ones themselves and what they did. But Zereth Mortis in particular was always Death exclusive in the promo material. It was said to be "the land of the Progenitors" but that doesn't mean it was intended to be their only one at all. Hell, even before the Firim epilogue thing, Sara Wons and Ion kinda imply there could be Zereths for other forces.

  17. #68237
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Mehhh I don't compare them at all tbh. The Uld facilities can be used to "shape" stuff sure, but they exist as planetary facilities to help reshape already existing worlds and whatnot in a more ordered and "less chaotic" fashion.
    Sorry I should've clarified. I'm saying they might feel the same due to the mysticism surrounding them. Uldaman was my favourite Vanilla dungeon because of the lore you find inside and how much bigger it makes the scope of the Warcraft universe. So as long we find more Zereths and they have that mysticism surrounding them, lore about some ancient race that abandoned this place and is now somewhere out there in the stars, they can end up feeling the same and filling up the gap the Titans left when they got fully revealed.

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    I think they need to take it easy with the cosmic themes(Instead of ditching it entirely, just get us comfortable with it, not shove us off a cliff.



    Another thing. The Primalists keep telling us we are being manipulated and more importantly that "You should have joined us"

    I kind of hope the pre expansion questline actually has them try to recruit us. Maybe meet some people like Koroleth, Kurog and Dathea
    They probably know something we don't, or its ironic and they are being manipulated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I think they need to take it easy with the cosmic themes(Instead of ditching it entirely, just get us comfortable with it, not shove us off a cliff.





    They probably know something we don't, or its ironic and they are being manipulated.
    They claim the Titans lied to us so I'm going to assume it is something involving the elements based on the leak that predicted themes for the expansions up to 13.0

  20. #68240
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    They claim the Titans lied to us so I'm going to assume it is something involving the elements based on the leak that predicted themes for the expansions up to 13.0
    Do you remember where that leak is located? Just so we could have a refresher.

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