Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cheezits]

How did N'zoth survive, he literally got re-originated.

He died, but it was either outright stated or hinted that old gods go back to the plane of Void to regenerate like demons do.

G'huun maybe as well (though a fake old god) but Jailer had nowhere to go back to. And yes as Sondrelk stated there is some possibility the knife was used to store his soul (it even shows magic going into the knife when Wrathion uses it... but it disappears after an explosion)

[Khaza-R]

I would agree that its looking like a combo of Murazond and Galakrond.

Although I am not convinced Galakrond might be a boss we face. He could end up being a set piece to further the plot like Sargeras in Legion.

[Makorus]

He got stabbed by Xal'atath, which he had previously made a vig deal about acquiring before the Horde Champion took it to Azshara.

Either the writers forgot about it literally within the same questline it was introduced, or N'zoth had some kind of plan in motion involving making sure Azshara got a weapon she assumed would kill him.

The weapon was used to access draw out/gain access to the real N'zoth.

Azshara's whole plan all along was to kill N'zoth, and she needed the dagger to do it.

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He died, but it was either outright stated or hinted that old gods go back to the plane of Void to regenerate like demons do.

G'huun maybe as well (though a fake old god) but Jailer had nowhere to go back to. And yes as Sondrelk stated there is some possibility the knife was used to store his soul (it even shows magic going into the knife when Wrathion uses it... but it disappears after an explosion)

Sure but that's such a stupid argument and completely disingenious.

If you argue like that, we've never killed anyone, because there could always be an asspull to bring someone back.

For all intents and purposes, we've literally deleted N'zoth from the universe. Reorigination is one step ahead of just killing. It's blipping something out of existence.

[Cheezits]

The weapon was used to access draw out/gain access to the real N'zoth.

Azshara's whole plan all along was to kill N'zoth, and she needed the dagger to do it.

Yes, but Xal'atath brought the dagger to N'zoth first, not Azshara.

It can be argued he needed it so he could "give" it to the Horde hero and then Sylvanas just to located Nazjatar, but...

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If you argue like that, we've never killed anyone, because there could always be an asspull to bring someone back.

We have killed a lot of lore characters that aren't coming back, but cosmic monsters coming back after they die has been lore from I want to say WC3? Was the demons coming back thing established there?

[Sondrelk]

The weapon was used to access draw out/gain access to the real N'zoth.

Azshara's whole plan all along was to kill N'zoth, and she needed the dagger to do it.

And she got that weapon from Sylvanas, who in turn got it from the mind controlled Horde Champion after N'zoth made a big deal about how it would further his plans.

Azshara assumed the dagger would kill him, but there is no reason to assume N'zoth didn't tamper with it before he sent it to Sylvanas.

[Loreguy126]

Always hard to tell with bosses. You need a couple weeks of hindsight to really see what does and doesn't work. G'huun was in theory the coolest boss Blizzard had done in years, but in practice it just became a chore as it demanded several groups of competent and-or specific class players.

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N'zoth likely also survived, which would mean that barring the BfA mini-raid (and why shouldn't you ignore it), Zovaal was the first final boss of a raid killed since G'huun.

Assuming that Zovaal is dead... :O

[Revamp Man]

Out of last 7 tiers, 4 bosses survived (Jaina, Azshara, Denathrius, Sylvanas). I think it would feel good to actually kill boss from time to time xD.

Idk man the constant winning stuff got old and in BfA the fact we actually failed in palace scratched an itch for me

We aren't some Uber powered gods we are adventurers that for the last 15 years in game had the backup from either ancient weapons, a slumbering titan, or a pantheon of titanesque beings.

The last thing we managed without Uber help was killing archimonde and even then we had the guardian providing back up.

I say we kill her but her siblings are released which gives us a reason to go underground next tier

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Assuming that Zovaal is dead... :O

I mean he's more concretely dead than any old god. We saw his body drain

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Also I feel tempted to level again just so I can go back to the questline with whispers and time travel

[Aeluron Lightsong]

We didn't fail in the Eternal Palace wot?

We failed in that N'zoth was released thanks to the power of the Heart of Azeroth necklace. She basically manipulated us in the same way Xal'atath did to us via her dagger(Admittingly both are.. odd). Honestly it would of been better if the game just showed us acting mind controlled but I digress.


Edit: When I say mind controlled I mean when we see the xalatath dagger again in BFA. Most "Champions of Azeroth" wouldn't do what we the player were made to do. It served the gameplay and story but...honestly any character that had any sense of what the Old Gods are would of just left it there instead of listening to it.

[Lahis]

We didn't fail in the Eternal Palace wot?

N'Zoth was freed.

That was pretty fucking big failure.

[THEORACLE64]

Bit of a random question but I assume the gold missions from the mission table stop with the pre patch?

Genuinely forgot we even had a mission table in Shadowlands. Glad it’s something they’ve retired going forward, it felt fairly futile in Legion let alone now.

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The weapon was used to access draw out/gain access to the real N'zoth.

Azshara's whole plan all along was to kill N'zoth, and she needed the dagger to do it.

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Sure but that's such a stupid argument and completely disingenious.

If you argue like that, we've never killed anyone, because there could always be an asspull to bring someone back.

For all intents and purposes, we've literally deleted N'zoth from the universe. Reorigination is one step ahead of just killing. It's blipping something out of existence.

Yes and no. It’s been stated if demons are killed within the twisting nether or near high amounts of fel then they die permanently - I imagine they’d pull the same with void. So, all of the old gods are simply within the void plane no doubt, so that the day we get to go there we’ll be whooping their asses and killing them once and for all again.

[Khaza-R]

I am not entirely convinced that N'zoth and Zovaal weren't allies. Or at least moving against the same enemy with very different goals.

They both say pretty similar ominous lines about "what is to come" and then there's the whole HoA / Worldkiller Iris weirdness.

I think what will be telling what we discover about Neltharion in Dragonflight. Will it shed any light on what N'zoth's schemes really were.

[ClownPrincess]

They both say pretty similar ominous lines about "what is to come"

its not because of some mind-blowing overarching plot. Its because blizzard's writers are so comically bad that the only way they know to characterize a villain is to make them utter non-descript threats in a cavernous voice. It's only barely more competent than making them hold a big sign saying "big bad villain"

[Aeluron Lightsong]

its not because of some mind-blowing overarching plot. Its because blizzard's writers are so comically bad that the only way they know to characterize a villain is to make them utter non-descript threats in a cavernous voice. It's only barely more competent than making them hold a big sign saying "big bad villain"

Its just called forshadowing and not revealing the answer. Jesus christ...

[sarkayan]

I'm not following the Beta news and info. But with just over a month to go, does the expansion look ready and polished at least?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Did the HoA release him? Or was it her weakening the prison chains because we kept weakening them to use em against Azshara?

Yes,

Queen Azshara yells: Coax the power from these ancient wards! Rattle the chains that bind him!

First Arcanist Thalyssra yells: Stars save us... Azshara is drawing upon the Heart of Azeroth! Feeding its energies into her ritual!

Queen Azshara yells: You've only just come to this realization? "First Arcanist" indeed!

In The Eternal Palace raid.

[Aucald]

Dunno, it kinda sounds like we are losing the battle against Raszageth to some extent.

One element of Dragonflight and the Valdrakken quests I don't really understand is the rebellion that appears to be going on in the ranks of the drakonid, with many of them embracing the Primalists due to forced displacement as the result of the dragonflights returning to the Dragon Isles once more. But it's not quite explained whether the drakonid were always present on the Isles even while the actual dragons were not, or if they accompanied the returning dragons, and so forth. Either way, it seems like this rebellion either popped up extremely quickly with the Primalists seducing the drakonid to their cause, or there's been some long-simmering resentment in the ranks of the dragons' followers.

[Revamp Man]

I'm not following the Beta news and info. But with just over a month to go, does the expansion look ready and polished at least?

can you elaborate what you mean? because i feel people are using the word polish without knowing what it actually means

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One element of Dragonflight and the Valdrakken quests I don't really understand is the rebellion that appears to be going on in the ranks of the drakonid, with many of them embracing the Primalists due to forced displacement as the result of the dragonflights returning to the Dragon Isles once more. But it's not quite explained whether the drakonid were always present on the Isles even while the actual dragons were not, or if they accompanied the returning dragons, and so forth. Either way, it seems like this rebellion either popped up extremely quickly with the Primalists seducing the drakonid to their cause, or there's been some long-simmering resentment in the ranks of the dragons' followers.

its a storyline that many dont see the point of because they are framing it as people mad they are being displaced while also making them legit terrorists

[Aucald]

its a storyline that many dont see the point of because they are framing it as people mad they are being displaced while also making them legit terrorists

Well, in terms of the game they kind of are legit terrorists, given that the Primalists have the stated goal to bury the Aspects, everything associated with them, and everyone affiliated with them (including the Alliance, Horde, and the PC themselves). But the larger question is that if the Dragon Isles have been sealed off since around the Sundering, who exactly was there to be displaced by the arriving dragons? On the heels of that, *why* are they being displaced? It's not like the dragons are exactly plentiful these days, and the Dragon Isles have a ton of empty spaces and ruins occupied by no one. So what exactly is the dramatic tension that is compelling the drakonid to join the Primalists and rebel against the dragonflights?

[Revamp Man]

Well, in terms of the game they kind of are legit terrorists, given that the Primalists have the stated goal to bury the Aspects, everything associated with them, and everyone affiliated with them (including the Alliance, Horde, and the PC themselves). But the larger question is that if the Dragon Isles have been sealed off since around the Sundering, who exactly was there to be displaced by the arriving dragons? On the heels of that, *why* are they being displaced? It's not like the dragons are exactly plentiful these days, and the Dragon Isles have a ton of empty spaces and ruins occupied by no one. So what exactly is the dramatic tension that is compelling the drakonid to join the Primalists and rebel against the dragonflights?

thats exactly what like 99% of people are asking
they dont really explain this stuff

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"the dragons have taken our homes so lets bomb our own city and aim for max casualty"

[huth]

We failed in that N'zoth was released thanks to the power of the Heart of Azeroth necklace. She basically manipulated us in the same way Xal'atath did to us via her dagger(Admittingly both are.. odd). Honestly it would of been better if the game just showed us acting mind controlled but I digress.

It was more of a Morton's Fork situation. Not fighting her wasn't an option, but to fight her we had to do something that was just as bad. So it was a bad outcome no matter what we do, not mind control.

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Yes and no. It’s been stated if demons are killed within the twisting nether or near high amounts of fel then they die permanently - I imagine they’d pull the same with void. So, all of the old gods are simply within the void plane no doubt, so that the day we get to go there we’ll be whooping their asses and killing them once and for all again.

The devs outright told us so, actually. There's no guessing, that's precisely how it works and yes, that means all the Old Gods can come back provided the Void Lords can be arsed to let them out again.