Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Shrouded]

I'm with you, I hate M+ aswell and with Raiding being completely shafted I'm debating on whether I will not just quit after reaching max lvl in DF

Another reason for why solo progression should get some serious design focus. There are many ways to do it, but I think it is absolutely necessary for the continued survival of WoW - the game needs something that feels worthwhile to work on when your friends aren't online, or when you're all dungeoned out, or for whatever reason, really. But then again, I have a feeling that is a conversation that has probably played out here already, multiple times.

[AngerFork]

I'm not following the Beta news and info. But with just over a month to go, does the expansion look ready and polished at least?

Honestly, not at all. The most recent build broke several UI elements (https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1580521990682599426) including the bug report button, which I suppose means that this will be the build with the least bugs reported. Even before that though, there were tons of UI bugs where I'd be taking damage & it wouldn't be showing in my character UI or I'd target someone new & the health bar would change, but the name/image remained with the previous target. Just weird stuff like that which feel inconsistent & seem to be pretty frustrating issues.

Classes are a mix. Some feel really good while others just feel like they kind of got thrown into this talent system as an afterthought. At least dungeons all feel pretty good so far from what I've seen, & dragon riding is a blast.

All in all though, I really think they should delay the launch a month or two, get some of these bugs worked out, & make a solid launch with a good cadence in Jan 2023.

[MightyWarrior]

My cousins works for Blizzard, not a joke, he has done for the past six months in California. There are only 3 WoW expansions left in the pipeline depending on how well Dragonflight does. He couldn't say much but they're winding down on the amount of new features per expansion due to budget cuts, there are also no plans for a world revamp in the forseeable future. (there are plans to remaster old zones however). Patch content featuring the pre-sundering may be a thing. Also TCG items will be coming to the store in 2023. No Cataclysm classic.

[Makabreska]

My cousins works for Blizzard, not a joke, he has done for the past six months in California. There are only 3 WoW expansions left in the pipeline depending on how well Dragonflight does. He couldn't say much but they're winding down on the amount of new features per expansion due to budget cuts, there are also no plans for a world revamp in the forseeable future. (there are plans to remaster old zones however). Patch content featuring the pre-sundering may be a thing. Also TCG items will be coming to the store in 2023. No Cataclysm classic.

2/10 attempt.

[Cheezits]

I kind of believe that pre-Sundering Zin-Azshari will be a patch zone through Murozond. The rest is bull.

[Tyris Flare]

I'm with you, I hate M+ aswell and with Raiding being completely shafted I'm debating on whether I will not just quit after reaching max lvl in DF

How has raiding been shafted with multiple tiers of items and powerful uniques you can only get from it?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

My cousins works for Blizzard, not a joke, he has done for the past six months in California. There are only 3 WoW expansions left in the pipeline depending on how well Dragonflight does. He couldn't say much but they're winding down on the amount of new features per expansion due to budget cuts, there are also no plans for a world revamp in the forseeable future. (there are plans to remaster old zones however). Patch content featuring the pre-sundering may be a thing. Also TCG items will be coming to the store in 2023. No Cataclysm classic.

Lots of bullshit

[MightyWarrior]

Ty ty my cousins actually dead

[THEORACLE64]

Ty ty my cousins actually dead

Begon incel troll.

[Dracullus]

Another reason for why solo progression should get some serious design focus. There are many ways to do it, but I think it is absolutely necessary for the continued survival of WoW - the game needs something that feels worthwhile to work on when your friends aren't online, or when you're all dungeoned out, or for whatever reason, really. But then again, I have a feeling that is a conversation that has probably played out here already, multiple times.

I get you want solo progression, but "I just want raid but they force me to do M+" is no argument in your favor. On the contrary, if some solo content could give you best gear, hardcore raiders would be forced to do it as well.

And since they are much louder + have influencers to back them up, your solo progression would soon become most hated content in game. Pretty much what already happened with Torghast, which could be remembered fondly if they fill it with cosmetic rewards instead legendary currency.

This game need solo activities (and get it more and more with every expac), just not as part of solo progression. Of course talking only about cutting edge, 'solo' gear coexist pretty well with lower difficulties.

[sponge5307]

Because I want to progress through raids, not do M+ and then get nothing from 90% of the raiding content.

I hate doing dungeons. I will do my 8 +20s every week, but I will hate doing it, and I won't enjoy it in the slightest. The fact that M+ gives the best and most consistent gear (especially with the Catalyst existing) is a big, big design flaw. Wiping to a boss for the whole night, just to kill it and then having to DE every item because it's worse than what M+ drops is just crap. Doesn't help that Dungeon trinkets are consistently overtuned.

It was fine when Tier was exclusively from raids, but even since 9.2 it's even worse. Heroic might as well give Cosmetics now considering how bad the rewards are in comparison.

LOL you are joking right coz in the last 2 raids SoD and First ones BIS hunter weapons and 2handed weapons and trinkets are drop from raids not m+. The same can be said for those who want to do m+ only and are force to do raids. This feature is coming back in DF where trinkets and weapons from raids are way more powerful than from dungeons.

[Shrouded]

I get you want solo progression, but "I just want raid but they force me to do M+" is no argument in your favor. On the contrary, if some solo content could give you best gear, hardcore raiders would be forced to do it as well.

And since they are much louder + have influencers to back them up, your solo progression would soon become most hated content in game. Pretty much what already happened with Torghast, which could be remembered fondly if they fill it with cosmetic rewards instead legendary currency.

This game need solo activities (and get it more and more with every expac), just not as part of solo progression. Of course talking only about cutting edge, 'solo' gear coexist pretty well with lower difficulties.

I don't really think "best gear" is all that important for solo progression (nor do I think loud voices should matter at all!). What I really think matters is a progression path that doesn't rely on anyone other than you being online at any given point, and I think there are many ways to do that. Ideally I think every dungeon should have the Torghast/Visions treatment and scale from 1-5 players, but that's just one of many ways to satisfy that particular niche and not necessarily the best one.

[Dracullus]

I don't really think "best gear" is all that important for solo progression (nor do I think loud voices should matter at all!). What I really think matters is a progression path that doesn't rely on anyone other than you being online at any given point, and I think there are many ways to do that. Ideally I think every dungeon should have the Torghast/Visions treatment and scale from 1-5 players, but that's just one of many ways to satisfy that particular niche and not necessarily the best one.

Yeah, would be great if people wouldn't repeat 1000x every bullshit said by Asmon or someone similar. But sadly this is world we live in.

Btw, on PVP side you pretty much will get what you want with solo shuffle. I always avoided rated PVP, but I'll try first time.

[Cheezits]

Solo dungeons would be really cool, maybe call them Delves like ESO? Make the bosses complicated and puzzle like.

[Revamp Man]

"little Timmy's guild cant afford to put aside a day for mythic plus dungeons"
ok then little Timmy's guild needs to just not require it because lets be honest its only like world MAYBE 200 where it would be useful
shit dude im in a heroic guild and we do mythic plus on fridays

"youll need meta mdi comps"
nope and never have needed that just look at the break the meta event

people really do scream fire when they see a light

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How has raiding been shafted with multiple tiers of items and powerful uniques you can only get from it?

i honestly hate people that think "omg i can get gear of an equal ilvl through this and thus the alternative is useless"
because that stat stick trinket is super good from the dungeon compared to your BiS from the 5th boss
this is the same screeching that came with the removal of the covenant lock with "people will change every boss"

+20s will be a bitch to get for like 3 weeks in pugs but then they will be relatively easy to do
those who arent socially inept will find them a bit easier to do just like they have for the last 6 years
the only complaints will be from the people like cantrip

[Kiivar86]

Well, there you go, pre-expansion event testing.

[Revamp Man]

Well, there you go, pre-expansion event testing.

Thank God

[Ersula]

My cousins works for Blizzard, not a joke, he has done for the past six months in California. There are only 3 WoW expansions left in the pipeline depending on how well Dragonflight does. He couldn't say much but they're winding down on the amount of new features per expansion due to budget cuts, there are also no plans for a world revamp in the forseeable future. (there are plans to remaster old zones however). Patch content featuring the pre-sundering may be a thing. Also TCG items will be coming to the store in 2023. No Cataclysm classic.

World of Warcraft is their biggest source of revenue. They're not going to do this so long as they don't have anything to replace that & that ain't happening until they figure out how to monetize overwatch porn

[Catastrophy349]

"The Introductory Quest Line
Elemental Storms in Badlands and Un’Goro.
These Storms will change the surrounding area’s weather and enhance enemies with additional powers.
The Return of Uldaman as a level 60 dungeon."

So, do we think that "The Introductory Quest Line" means all of it, or do they literally mean ONLY the intro part of the full questline? Additionally, it would be cool for them to not test the other two Elemental Storms for funsies

[Nightshade711]

Dracthyr and the prepatch events aren’t coming with the launch of prepatch.

They’re both coming in ‘stage 2’.
Which is probably the 8th of November

(SLs prepatch launched Oct 13ish with the prepatch event not starting until Nov 10th for reference… but we know prepatch is obviously gonna be shorter than SLs was.)