Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cheezits]

The thing is, it changes the origin of the Pantheon. If they were made in Zereth Ordus by the First Ones, then they are not World Souls created in the mortal realm, spinning until they created planets as cocoons to birth themselves. And if you break that part, what about other World Souls. Because it's not just Azeroth, it's also Argus and the almost Void Titan Sargeras killed.

Unless they are shot out of Zereth Ordus and into reality to become world souls. Similarly to how the Eternal Ones don't live in Zereth Mortis.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

People are already tantruming over the First Ones and Zereth Ordus being mentioned but its the only way it makes sense for the Titans to be so powerful.

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

[Ersula]

What exactly is the problem there? And why are people complaining under that tweet?

I guess some people really wanted the First Ones to be the Titans, for the sake of simplicity. Or maybe just the idea that mister "I have been sending an infinite stream of my own personal valkyr to attack the rape-revenge allegory whom she immediately defeats & uploads the souls of her followers for the past 10,000 years" might be a bad or dumb guy.

[Xilurm]

Spoilers: https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...91694257893379

I seriously don't get the tantrum? The First Ones create the Titans and everything else, then everything else does it's own thing. Then it trickles down to whatever we ended up doing in recent ages. How is any of that the First One's fault?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

"This is how things are"



Sometime later in the future due to increased knowledge "Actually thats not entirely true."


Its certainly rhymes with real life thats for certain. Which is fine, I think some people just wanted Titans to be the big gods and well I get it but we moved quite past that but that doesn't mean the Titans are "lame" just means there are bigger fish out there. Doesn't mean Titans can't do things that we care more about then say first ones. Don't see the whinefest.

[Cheezits]

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

You don't need to explain how, even though we'll probably get there. Titans had no origin before either. This is just allowing the other Magic sources to be as interesting as the Titans were instead of LOL ELUNE DID IT. This whole thing is about making every other magic cooler at the expense of the Titans, who people are attached to because its old lore, but they were only so cool at the expense of dumbing down every other source of magic (demons are just animals in green poop, all of life is elunes farts)

There was NO Fel lore besides the Legion, now we might actually get to meet primordial demons. Now An'she can be an ACTUAL god instead of "Tauren are dumb and thought the sun could talk". Elune is not responsible for literally everything Life related.

I have a sneaking suspicion it's time travel related however. Powerful entities that time traveled back far enough to be the First ones around.

[Ersula]

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

Hi, there is this guy who say the First One's plan to chop the universe up into 6 cosmic powers & assign people to run them, and thought it was dumb & bad & wanted to replace it with a better system: His name was Zovaal the Jailer. He had some good ideas.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Unless they are shot out of Zereth Ordus and into reality to become world souls. Similarly to how the Eternal Ones don't live in Zereth Mortis.

The titans and there world souls were previously created with the birth of the great dark a Zereth ordus or the first ones just don’t fit with the pre dragon flight lore at all unless they want to say they are the light/void lords and made the titans before the universe existed.

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You don't need to explain how, even though we'll probably get there. Titans had no origin before either. This is just allowing the other Magic sources to be as interesting as the Titans were instead of LOL ELUNE DID IT. This whole thing is about making every other magic cooler at the expense of the Titans, who people are attached to because its old lore, but they were only so cool at the expense of dumbing down every other source of magic (demons are just animals in green poop, all of life is elunes farts)

There was NO Fel lore besides the Legion, now we might actually get to meet primordial demons. Now An'she can be an ACTUAL god instead of "Tauren are dumb and thought the sun could talk". Elune is not responsible for literally everything Life related.

I have a sneaking suspicion it's time travel related however. Powerful entities that time traveled back far enough to be the First ones around.

The titans have had an origin since chronicles 1 they were born with the creation of the universe and took eons to grow enough to be more then planets.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/FPjLmMJb_L...ZmFyaS82MDQuMQ

Same with demons before the legion.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/OGWwtVfXs0...ZmFyaS82MDQuMQ

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Hi, there is this guy who say the First One's plan to chop the universe up into 6 cosmic powers & assign people to run them, and thought it was dumb & bad & wanted to replace it with a better system: His name was Zovaal the Jailer. He had some good ideas.

Man if the jailer wanted to bring the lore back to pre shadowlands I’d be all for him.

[Catastrophy349]

Here is two more lore books!

https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...3zU_dtGcfl84mA

https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...BRa7IdvdgdASLg

[Cheezits]

Also a new race of dwarves living in "Khaz Algar", might be for the underground zone

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...95846992064512

[Reive]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

[Cheezits]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

Titans and Elune not being the be-all-end all left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths, especially with the projecting that they were replaced because the writing team "thinks they are better". Coupled with a desire for EK/Kalimdor stories that Blizzard won't do right now.

[Xilurm]

We already knew about the Titans being lower on the spectrum than the First Ones. I'm done feeling bad about it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

[Murlocos]

The change in story direction and focus is very understandable when you remember that Chris Metzen and Micky Neilson both left Blizzard in 2016, along with Dave Kosak leaving the WoW team at the end of that year. It's funnier if you just roll with the conspiracy that Steve Danuser is getting vengeance for Everquest all these years later.

[Reive]

Titans and Elune not being the be-all-end all left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths, especially with the projecting that they were replaced because the writing team "thinks they are better". Coupled with a desire for EK/Kalimdor stories that Blizzard won't do right now.

So nothing new basically. Just confirming what we already knew

[Cheezits]

Suddenly pulling up these post...

Violet elves are nice, I play one but playable high elves? Why? I'd prefer to switch my warlock to panda.
Race will be something we never heard of. I don't know anything more, but the name sound badass. Crystal dwarf

He said
Champion, yer new race are diamond dwarves

It's Magnisworn, Diamond Dwarves. Told ya already.

This person was leaking information with Scaleface... did they see the new dwarves ahead of time?

[Nymrohd]

Honestly they did the retcon already, they might as well expand upon it and build something new and more complex. I'm happy for this new lore because it makes the retcon more meaningful.

[Reive]

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

I mean, i'm disappointed with the downgrade of elune. Her being one of those first ones would have been better.

[Ersula]

Depends on if you liked the old lore and think giving gods there own even more powerful gods is silly or not.

I do think the universe needs some mystery & we've learned too much about the Titans so this was inevitable: What doesn't make sense is speedrunning to explain the First Ones. At this rate we'll need Firstier Ones by 11.0. The most glaring problem here is the trend of having a villain say "XXX is bad," then two expansions later the heroes are like "Turns out XXX is bad... no one could have foreseen this." Was N'zoth even bad now? Literally, Villain, recontectualize, hero: Garrosh & Deathwing are going to be seen as heroes eventually.

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?

They're Rings of Powering it. Which I don't personally mind. Galadriel & Sauron are f*#kin'? Fantastic. Deathwing wasn't actually working for the Old Gods? Sure. Just make it interesting & stop making players work for the "Odyn is awesome" club.

Here is two more lore books!
https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...3zU_dtGcfl84mA
https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...BRa7IdvdgdASLg

I mean, if they want to set up more allied races, there you go. But why do this if they have seemingly abandoned allied races completely? If you want more Dwarf allied races the Darkfallen should have been its own race.