Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AOL Instant Messenger]

At the very least that would force people to actually think about it. Just yelling every time you don't like something doesn't help.

What would force people to "actually think about it"? You're talking about a sentiment, not an object that can prompt a substantial change in behavior.

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You. Are you telling me you can't difference shitpost from actual critique?

Same with every drama, all you need is to do is basic research if complain is valid before you shout with everybody else.

Define what constitutes "basic research" according to your standards.

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I'd say this mostly shows that outside of expansion announcements and releases, it doesn't get talked about much anymore outside of specialised sources - which matches what we see in gaming news and which isn't really unexpected given that we're talking about a nearly 20 year old MMORPG in a time when MMORPGs are not a big topic anymore. That doesn't really say much about the game itself, though, more about how the rest of the world has changed.

Where's your evidence for exceptional sub drops? And what do you mean "abruptly ends"? It's not like they just dropped the story halfway through.

The wrap-up was quite awkward, I'd say. It seems like it was certainly shoved in there to get everything over with as soon as possible, much like seemed to be the case with WoD where the Legion suddenly popped in to give us a segue into the subsequent expansion and drop the Iron Horde plot as quickly as humanly possible. It seems difficult to imagine that Blizzard planned all along for the expansion to end at the .2 patch, and it certainly is difficult to interpret that as a good sign for that expansion. At the very least, it seems plausible that a raid tier was cut.

Your other argument is mostly fair. However, it still strike me as odd that there occurred a substantial drop in searches specifically simultaneous with the apex of Shadowlands. There was previously a very consistent rate at which the search rate was decreasingly steadily. The drop-off which occurred after Shadowlands was far more severe.

[Dracullus]

Define what constitutes "basic research" according to your standards..

Check if information drama is based on is a lie or not. If something is not confirmed, wait few hours before it's clarified. It's that simple.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Check if information drama is based on is a lie or not. If something is not confirmed, wait few hours before it's clarified. It's that simple.

That's much easier said than done. What if information is vague, unavailable, or subject to differing interpretations? What if there isn't strictly a confirmed time at which something can be "clarified"? You're thinking simplistically.

[Revamp Man]

Which one is this? I don't quite recall who you're talking about.

my bad i got mal switched with varimathras

[AOL Instant Messenger]

my bad i got mal switched with varimathras

Ah, that's fair. Yes, as far as I know we've got confirmation that the Dreadlords are beings of the Twisting Nether now for all intents and purposes, so I was wondering if there was someone I missed.

[Revamp Man]

That's much easier said than done. What if information is vague, unavailable, or subject to differing interpretations? What if there isn't strictly a confirmed time at which something can be "clarified"? You're thinking simplistically.

depends on the subject
take dragon riding for example
you will find people saying it takes forever for vigor to recharge and its slower than regular flying because of it and requires hours to collect upgrades

videos showing upgrades quickly gained and vigor recharge baseline requiring maybe a minute for full charge

[AOL Instant Messenger]

depends on the subject
take dragon riding for example
you will find people saying it takes forever for vigor to recharge and its slower than regular flying because of it and requires hours to collect upgrades

videos showing upgrades quickly gained and vigor recharge baseline requiring maybe a minute for full charge

That's entirely fair, but covers only the breadth of a very specific topic. What of topics on which information is scarce? These will require more in the way of intuition since it's difficult to find concrete information. Conversations on the overall health of the game will be very different from conversations regarding individual facets.

[Revamp Man]

That's entirely fair, but covers only the breadth of a very specific topic. What of topics on which information is scarce? These will require more in the way of intuition since it's difficult to find concrete information. Conversations on the overall health of the game will be very different from conversations regarding individual facets.

but with the guy who is saying its a doomed game he isnt being vague
he had listed reasons all of which can be dismissed because he himself admits only limited secondhand knowledge

[AOL Instant Messenger]

but with the guy who is saying its a doomed game he isnt being vague
he had listed reasons all of which can be dismissed because he himself admits only limited secondhand knowledge

In that particular case, I'd certainly say the objection is fair. I was saying that broadly dismissing "doomsayers" is dangerous, not that anybody in particular had a very strong point.

[Ersula]

Ah, that's fair. Yes, as far as I know we've got confirmation that the Dreadlords are beings of the Twisting Nether now for all intents and purposes, so I was wondering if there was someone I missed.

They're beings of the Shadowlands. Denathrius' decree that they be banished from the Shadowlands inadvertently (but intentionally) created a situation where they stay in the plane of the living when they are killed.

The Mal'ganis questline in Korthia was about how the Venthyr & Stoneborn became tilted that Denathrius created a combination of both (Venthyr + Stoneborn = Nathrazim) so he banished them, but that was what he wanted to do all along; so they could be his spies throughout the universe. Any prior explanation was just them pretending to be demons.

[Nymrohd]

In other news, I really hope they get to squashing more profession bugs next update cause right now the UI is borked and work orders are still not working properly. But at least they got World Quests to work again. I still keep randomly crashing left and right though.

[8bithamster]

You confuse what DF is; it's shadowlands with most of the borrowed-power baked in. The rest? Same systems, same design philosophy, same everything. I have been following beta closely this time, if you haven't, let me enlighten you; they ignored pretty much all the feedback. In SL, the ignored the problems with covenants. In DF, they are ignoring problems with talents. Retri is a fucking joke. DH is ok number wise, but the design philosophy there is a fucking joke. Evoker is not ready to ship. And from what I read, Shadow Priests, Guardian Druids are fucked too. They are now preparing the addict masses to the new idea that each expansion is going to have 8 and only 8 new dungeons. Half of it at the start and other half after months, and the rest is rehashed shit. That's effectively 4 new dungeons. It is beyond me why there is not a community outrage about the amount of content we are getting...Dragonflight will go live with broken classes and extremely poor content to bump 4th quarterly results.

This expansion is bound to fail.

Aah found one! The paladin discord already said the unknowing would screech that retri is shit.
They went from way way overtuned to in line with others. Sorry that Blizzard pissed in your cereals and you can't be op during release. Guess you'll have to find the next fotm to go to!

[Lahis]

I guess I forgot about that.

That makes me wonder though, did she originate there? How are the priestesses of Elune and the Sunwalkers, (assuming An'she and Elune are from the same plane or even the same person) using holy abilities? Why would Elune give them powers from another plane? Unless of course she is more like the Titans, and can use abilities from all the planes at will.

Canon Priestess of the moon abilities are closer to Balance Druid kit than any priest spec.

Every race's priests using the same holy spells is justgame mechanics.

[UndedoKoleda]

Aah found one! The paladin discord already said the unknowing would screech that retri is shit.
They went from way way overtuned to in line with others. Sorry that Blizzard pissed in your cereals and you can't be op during release. Guess you'll have to find the next fotm to go to!

Funny, that you say that and right after wowhead posts this article-

https://www.wowhead.com/news/retribu...nt-tree-329400

Their ret paladin guide writer is not happy with the current state of the spec on beta.

[Nymrohd]

Aah found one! The paladin discord already said the unknowing would screech that retri is shit.
They went from way way overtuned to in line with others. Sorry that Blizzard pissed in your cereals and you can't be op during release. Guess you'll have to find the next fotm to go to!

I honestly expected them to nerf Prot before Ret. The ST AS build was oppressive in PvP and could match most dps in PvE while building constant absorb shields.

[Revamp Man]

In other news, I really hope they get to squashing more profession bugs next update cause right now the UI is borked and work orders are still not working properly. But at least they got World Quests to work again. I still keep randomly crashing left and right though.

I crash in combat now compared to just crashing while herbing

The ui I'd screwed but at least it's only the visuals and I can look at WQs now and tailoring has shown me that professions are overall really quick and easy so while leveling I'm enchanting tailor then at cap after I make my cape and speed enchants I'll either drop for herbalist inscription or keep for a raid level cloak

Debating doing all dragon races for the mog reward since I have no interest in grinding in beta

[UndedoKoleda]

Er... about that...

There is nothing about that...

Also, because the First Ones told them not to, just like with the pantheon of Death. And if there's anybody in the multiverse that is going to follow a rule, it's the Order guys.

Given that the Titans are straight out trying to conceal the existence of the First Ones, it seems unlikely that they hold them in high enough regard, to follow unquestionably their rules.

[Revamp Man]

Aah found one! The paladin discord already said the unknowing would screech that retri is shit.
They went from way way overtuned to in line with others. Sorry that Blizzard pissed in your cereals and you can't be op during release. Guess you'll have to find the next fotm to go to!

A big issue is mainly its boring and the class tree has little choice but yeah people saying it's trash or broken are just toddlers

[Nymrohd]

Funny, that you say that and right after wowhead posts this article-

https://www.wowhead.com/news/retribu...nt-tree-329400

Their ret paladin guide writer is not happy with the current state of the spec on beta.

The complaints however are not that the class is not effective. It's that the trees, especially the class tree, are fucking boring and a complete railroad.

[8bithamster]

Funny, that you say that and right after wowhead posts this article-

https://www.wowhead.com/news/retribu...nt-tree-329400

Their ret paladin guide writer is not happy with the current state of the spec on beta.

Which literally says that the spec itself is performing fine, it's just that the tree is shit. Exactly. Thank you for proving my point!

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A big issue is mainly its boring and the class tree has little choice but yeah people saying it's trash or broken are just toddlers

Exactly this.. but hey, apparently people can't distinguish between bad tree and performance. Same shit, different expansion. People will cry that it sucks like every other damn expansion, and a few expansions later "Remember how good SL/DF was? Such an amazing expansion!"