1. #68901
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Oh surprise, Blizzard brings back exp and renown gain to expac start level. I mean, anyone who witnessed a typical expac development knows that Blizzard nerfs needed time effort over time and starts with a way too low rate for any kind of bar filler steps.

    Tip: If you really want to play any of the modern expacs, play it in the last month it exists. You will literally breeze through everything.
    They cut 69-70 exp by 40% I'm not complaining

    The renown change is offset by the increase in rep from certain quests

    If you want to put the hate boner away for a couple weeks we have a ptr build coming today and some raid testing for you to complain about it giving people an unfair advantage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    ...ew why wtf
    The renown change is because early level rewards were meaningless
    Think of them like the 3 point talents that gave X% of a stat
    Now everything comes faster so instead of it being renown 7 before you get the extra quest line you'll have renown 3 which is 7500 rep

    As for leveling experience it's because 68-70 was around 1.4m exp required while 61-68 was about 2m exp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It could still be a unique drake customization option. You don't strictly need to have the most unique appearances only from the most exclusive sources.
    It's a mount
    If it was a customization we'd be able to see that
    As long as people give feedback we might see changes because we only have 2 dragons with full body transformation out of 4

  2. #68902
    Oh no, I wont be able to get everything in my first week of playing. That's just terrible, Ion Hazzikostas screwed me over again.

  3. #68903
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Oh no, I wont be able to get everything in my first week of playing. That's just terrible, Ion Hazzikostas screwed me over again.
    If only Blizz would go back to the MoP days of grinding dailies for bonus rolls and pre-raid gear. Would really spicen up the two weeks you get to game it before the raid opens.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    If only Blizz would go back to the MoP days of grinding dailies for bonus rolls and pre-raid gear. Would really spicen up the two weeks you get to game it before the raid opens.
    You mean the dailies that everyone complained were too damn many? I REALLY doubt that bringing back this old and tired system in force would spice up anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    You mean the dailies that everyone complained were too damn many? I REALLY doubt that bringing back this old and tired system in force would spice up anything.
    I mean yeah but the excuse of "I'm forced to do x" is just exhausting, like some people need to learn self control.(Not pointing at you)
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  6. #68906
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    You mean the dailies that everyone complained were too damn many? I REALLY doubt that bringing back this old and tired system in force would spice up anything.
    I know. But the playerbase seems confident MoP had no flaws and was perfect, so clearly the daily system that literally required you to grind dailies until you unlocked ANOTHER set of dailies could only be a good thing, clearly.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  7. #68907
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I know. But the playerbase seems confident MoP had no flaws and was perfect, so clearly the daily system that literally required you to grind dailies until you unlocked ANOTHER set of dailies could only be a good thing, clearly.
    I mean if it is not tied to power but it's just a world progression system, why not. The more content the better. You have about two years to do it.

  8. #68908
    Idm as long as FOMO isn't a thing. No one likes FOMO.

  9. #68909
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Idm as long as FOMO isn't a thing. No one likes FOMO.
    Sure but reputation factions very rarely are removed (only ones I can remember are the vanilla ones for ZG and Wrathion from MoP).

  10. #68910
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I know. But the playerbase seems confident MoP had no flaws and was perfect, so clearly the daily system that literally required you to grind dailies until you unlocked ANOTHER set of dailies could only be a good thing, clearly.
    Oh the grind was awful but the story unlocks were great

    Take MoP but with things like emissaries and m+ and you get a very very good expansion

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    I don't think FOMO applies here unless those specific dailies are removed later on/ rewards the dailies offer are removed later. Then I can understand.
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  12. #68912
    We still have more than 2 months before S1 start for M+ testing (and I think they could gather more people to test M+ between pre-patch and expac launch than now), but I hope we start pre-patch event soon. I'm starting to think it will be barebones like Shadowlands one sadly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkura View Post
    Relax.. Its reputation. You have alot of time to build it up
    He's not sharpest tool in the shed, most people here learned that there is no point arguing with that guy xD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I know. But the playerbase seems confident MoP had no flaws and was perfect, so clearly the daily system that literally required you to grind dailies until you unlocked ANOTHER set of dailies could only be a good thing, clearly.
    They weren't so confident when it was current content.
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  13. #68913
    prepatch build was supposed to hit a couple hours ago but i guess they are a tad behind

  14. #68914
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    The most effective way to play
    Is meaningless. It's inherently wasting time, and efficiency isn't particularly useful to that.

  15. #68915
    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Well, to play from start actually is about wasting time and money. Why would you pay for 16 months if you just need to pay one month at the end and still see everything?
    Because you actually can't. Doing the content at the start of the expansion is a qualitatively different experience.

    And no, rushing through everything at the end is not how WoW should be at the start. It's a markedly worse experience. Your demands are completely absurd, no matter the size of the studio. Maybe you should stop treating games as a chore to finish as quickly as possible.

  16. #68916
    Sooo.. PTR is down? Hopefully a build that resembles a pre patch rdy event

  17. #68917
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkura View Post
    Sooo.. PTR is down? Hopefully a build that resembles a pre patch rdy event
    They were aiming to have them back up at noon today, either they'll come back in the next few hours or they've had to delay it again.

  18. #68918
    Beta wave just went out, I got beta didnt have it an hour ago

  19. #68919
    Still nothing in terms of pre-patch playable content

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantrip View Post
    Well, to play from start actually is about wasting time and money. Why would you pay for 16 months if you just need to pay one month at the end and still see everything?

    The last month of an expac is how WoW should be at start. And every following month should be like that. Every month should bring content and gameplay updates.

    But that is just too much asked from that poor multi billion company that has hundreds of developers and a larger credit list of a new expac than a star wars movie.
    Name one mmo that does that

    Also if you started shadowlands in the final few months you missed out on a lot
    Ignoring the stuff that gets replaced like end of season rewards

    You missed
    All the dungeons in m+
    The maw
    Korthia
    All of torghast
    Vast majority of campaign content
    And millions in passive gold generation

    That ignores also shards of domination and all of the raids before the fated syste

  20. #68920
    4.13G update on the PTR.

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