Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Xilurm]

It isn't. They have an NPC serving as a precise ship timer, actually, so they're even making it more convenient to use boats normally.

Ok thank God. I was so happy they're adding more boats but got worried when I saw this. Also apparently this is because of an issue at the start of wrath, but they haven't removed it yet. Sad.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Sta...ion_Invasions)
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Damp_Pamphlet
It's mentioned elsewhere, will have to find it.

Hungry for the cloak of skulls, the eyeless serpent waits—
Orchestrates the rage and culls to groom her nascent hate.
Breeding dreadful, vile traits and prodding on her soul
The serpent plies its trade and spawns the wars in whole.

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I call bullshit. We've done the side by side comparison so many times. ANd when people are pressed for details it fast becomes clear that it's not that the old models were gritier etc. it is that the lower resolution allowed your mind more leeway to fill in the details. It's easy to interpret messy polygons and blurry textures into dirt and gore. Your mind just fills in the blanks. The earlier charm was not actually there and very literally is all in your brain. Which is no fault of your own, that's how the brain functions.

Incorrect. I've gone over the very obvious and tangible differences in design direction numerous times already. I've pointed this out ad nauseum with the Gnoll model, and I could do so with functionally any model you show me. You can give me any model which has been the nexus of controversy, and I can very plainly articulate every difference in art direction. I could even illustrate the differences, if you'd like.

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Turalyon would be a good "Light Garrosh" with Velen his Vol'jin (or Sylvanas' Saurfang)

I'd be annoyed at a waste of potential if that happened. Turalyon works better as a representative of a harsher, more violent direction for the Alliance than a Loot Pinata. The only reason to want to see Turalyon villain batted would be for some notion of factional fairness—the best story would be produced from allowing him to represent a more nuanced angle of the Alliance.

[Revamp Man]

I think that Avaloren -> Avalon and we should expect more Arthurian story. With Knights of Round Table, normal Maiden of the Lake, Camelot and Excalibur. With that new Keeper Innaria being new King Arthur lying on death door and all of that.

I hope so much for this

[Kiivar86]

People talking about Avaloren/Avalon. There is a scarlet crusade town in the DK starting zone that's called "new avalon". So we might be visiting the "old" avalon? Might be a scarlet crusade stronghold?

I doubt it, likely just a case of similar names. For one, while Avaloren seems to draw its name from Avalon, it isn't named Avalon.

And I mean, this is Blizzard, they of "wait we already have a Hakkar?" fame.

[Revamp Man]

Idk what the Titans are
Idk if they are just blank slates that can be effected by cosmic forces but that kinda makes sense with sargeras and Argus
Ysera supposedly got her power from eonar but is Elune's pet according to the winter queen.
I believe that Azeroth and Argus are different from the Titans we know of and if they are blank slates that can be imprinted on by cosmic forces then this definitely makes sense.

Let's say the first titan was born of order and proceeded to wake the others then that would explain the pantheon of order. This also explains why varimathras is still not dead.

[Lahis]

Idk what the Titans are
Idk if they are just blank slates that can be effected by cosmic forces but that kinda makes sense with sargeras and Argus
Ysera supposedly got her power from eonar but is Elune's pet according to the winter queen.
I believe that Azeroth and Argus are different from the Titans we know of and if they are blank slates that can be imprinted on by cosmic forces then this definitely makes sense.

Let's say the first titan was born of order and proceeded to wake the others then that would explain the pantheon of order. This also explains why varimathras is still not dead.

Raw magic can influence the nature of just about anything. Sargeras was turned into Fel Titan, Nathrezim began as Death beigns but were turned into demons by fel exposure.

On Azeroth the arcane energy from Well of Eternity first turned trolls intl Night Elves, and then several different magics changed the elves further into different form. Malfurion's druidic mutations are an example of life maguc changing a beign.

[Xilurm]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

[Revamp Man]

Raw magic can influence the nature of just about anything. Sargeras was turned into Fel Titan, Nathrezim began as Death beigns but were turned into demons by fel exposure.

On Azeroth the arcane energy from Well of Eternity first turned trolls intl Night Elves, and then several different magics changed the elves further into different form. Malfurion's druidic mutations are an example of life maguc changing a beign.

So the Nathrezim are interesting to me because we have one that died a demon and got resurrected on Argus then killed again which for demons would mean permanent death but we see again in Shadowlands

So while raw magic can effect a being does the precedent set by the dreadlords mean they are still at their core beings of their original force

Is Argus a blank slate thus the death magic he was being infused with set him up as a being of death

Are unborn titans like Azeroth far more powerful because of their potential compared to beings with an origin based in a cosmic force.

The first hint we got of the universe preceding the Titans was actually thanks to Argus from the thousand years war book where he existed before memory.

I need to level on beta again and record the part where we travel to nyalotha

[Sondrelk]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

Primordial demons presumably. Hard to tell, would work equally well if Disorder didnt have anyone leading them, and it was complete anarchy. Still feel there are extremely strong demons who we have not seen though. As evil as they presumably are, I doubt they would all willingly accept Sargeras' offer of conquest if it meant serving under someone else.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

Wouldn’t be surprised if by the powers very nature they don’t all it pantheons as such.

Like at the start order has a few big members and no small members to stay orderly and disorder has no big leaders hit tons of little demons for maximum disorder.

[Xilurm]

Wouldn’t be surprised if by the powers very nature they don’t all it pantheons as such.

Like at the start order has a few big members and no small members to stay orderly and disorder has no big leaders hit tons of little demons for maximum disorder.

Would make sense. It also gives me hope that if Elune by any chance is part of the plane of Life, she's the only one there. With all the wild gods being her followers. Really, not every plane needs a Pantheon.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Would make sense. It also gives me hope that if Elune by any chance is part of the plane of Life, she's the only one there. With all the wild gods being her followers. Really, not every plane needs a Pantheon.

I think the closest thing we have gotten to a look into how life it self works is just the Spirit of life which may or may not be linked all spirit/life every where so it would make alot of sense for it to be a avatar of elune with her being the sole leader of life ya.

Even looks like a giant wisp which would be fitting for visage of elune from what we know.

[Raetary]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

[Jastall]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

That's puzzling, yeah. Death has the Eternals, Life apparently also has a pantheon that Elune is in, Void has the Void Lords, Order has the Titans, Light has the Prime Naaru and perhaps more, but the Legion really felt centralized in its command structure, ironically for the embodiment of Chaos. Or not, considering their boss was a corrupted Order head honcho I suppose.

The idea of there being very powerful Demons who refused to serve Sargeras and grew in power in his absence could be a neat one, even if it would be a retcon.

[Revamp Man]

Wouldn’t be surprised if by the powers very nature they don’t all it pantheons as such.

Like at the start order has a few big members and no small members to stay orderly and disorder has no big leaders hit tons of little demons for maximum disorder.

One leader with multiple personalities or there's a pantheon but they are constantly fighting each other instead of uniting

Life has Elune, Anshe, and whatever you'd say creates beasts

Void has cannibalistic void lords

The light has the creators of naaru who use language closest to that of the first ones

The Titans we have seen so far have all been touched by the cosmic forces so one could argue that only 5 of each exists with any others being the result of outside influence

[Nymrohd]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

I'll say it again. In 10.1 or 10.2 we will get the Forbidden Reach as a questing zone and with it we will get more Dracthyr classes; at minimum Hunter, Mage, Rogue, Warrior. Warriors in particular are very common among Dracthyr NPCs already.

[Raetary]

If Disorder even gets a "ruling" Pantheon, i expect them all to just be loners that just do whatever, whenever, for the sake of destruction and sowing chaos.

Regardless of that though, it'd still be very weird why none of them decided to join Sargeras willingly for a chance to destroy more, or why Sargeras didn't go after them to subdue them or take their power.

Like, why the need for corrupting his sibblings and create a "Dark Pantheon" when he could just... use the literal Pantheon of Destruction that was already there.

[Nymrohd]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

But Order doesn't have Titans. The Titans reached Zereth Ordos and received Blessings from it; they did not originate there. Titans could become aligned with Fel and Death and they liberally use Light and Life. They are creatures of the physical realm between the Six Forces. Why would creatures with that level of power not seek to breach the planes and learn their secrets? That the Titans chose to align with Order over the other forces also makes sense. They are first and foremost creators and if we want to get political, why would the biggest fish in the pond not choose the most conservative of Forces, the one most likely to retain them at the top of the status quo? And that's if it is them that found Zereth Ordos and not whatever primordial creatures of Order live there found the Titans and indoctrinated them.
What we've seen from the Void Lords, Eternals and Elune is that they cannot enter the physical realm, at least not without massive effort. Titans exist in it entirely. I'd say if Order, Chaos and Light have apex creatures, Pantheons, we haven't met them yet.


Oh my, what if Elune is trying to do the same thing that the Void Lords are and trying to incarnate using Azeroth?

[Kiivar86]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

I wouldn't look too much into it. Probably due to some toy or something.

I mean, worgen and goblins have monk animation.

[Nymrohd]

If Disorder even gets a "ruling" Pantheon, i expect them all to just be loners that just do whatever, whenever, for the sake of destruction and sowing chaos.

Regardless of that though, it'd still be very weird why none of them decided to join Sargeras willingly for a chance to destroy more, or why Sargeras didn't go after them to subdue them or take their power.

Like, why the need for corrupting his sibblings and create a "Dark Pantheon" when he could just... use the literal Pantheon of Destruction that was already there.

Maybe their greatest servants were already embedded deep in the Legion. For all we know some of the demonic races may be the Fel equivalent of the Nathrezim and the Naaru; creatures of Chaos sent into the physical. I nominate the Shivarra.