Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Revamp Man]

I do love tge salt geysers from this stuff

I imagine they will slowly rebalance these numbers and just went the route of "cut 20% so we can then see exactly how much we'd need" instead of 3 nerfs constantly

Like it or not some of these changes were definitely justified. A ret pally shouldn't be able to do 50% of the damage in a dungeon by himself in appropriate gear. As for the speed of the rotation it will get insane by 10.1.

My WW is next on the chopping block and that's after they already broke clones....again.

Looking at DF as a whole though I think I have my leveling figured out. My main will be an herbalist/enchanter at first just for the speed enchants then drop that for mining because of the ore requirements for most professions. At cap I'll probably go BS/mining for the weapons and the matrix drops.

Alt will be mage who goes tailoring enchanting for bags and cloaks. Likely will cap week 2 then use for raid mats or crafting for guildies or getting materials for them to craft.

Main will get all the dragon runes week 1 and focus on getting gold for most of the races. I'll cap before the chromie questline to max chances of a stronger neck. The weekly requires 4k rep gain which is relatively easy now that they boosted the rep gains

[YogSoggoth]

Still nothing in terms of pre-patch playable content

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Name one mmo that does that

Also if you started shadowlands in the final few months you missed out on a lot
Ignoring the stuff that gets replaced like end of season rewards

You missed
All the dungeons in m+
The maw
Korthia
All of torghast
Vast majority of campaign content
And millions in passive gold generation

That ignores also shards of domination and all of the raids before the fated syste

As someone who played a bit throughout all the Shadowlands i can't believe you've included Maw, Korthia and Torghast as something you can regret skipping. These three things are the worst pieces of content i've touched in WoW (especially 9.0's Maw) and i'm pretty damn sure many would agree. I do kinda regret missing out on some of the free gold though. And i guess the mythic+ mounts. The rest is pefrectly backtrackable for anyone interested. Campaigns are boring and shallow too btw.

[Revamp Man]

As someone who played a bit throughout all the Shadowlands i can't believe you've included Maw, Korthia and Torghast as something you can regret skipping. These three things are the worst pieces of content i've touched in WoW (especially 9.0's Maw) and i'm pretty damn sure many would agree. I do kinda regret missing out on some of the free gold though. And i guess the mythic+ mounts. The rest is pefrectly backtrackable for anyone interested. Campaigns are boring and shallow too btw.

Try getting groups for the rares anymore
You don't get the maw or any of the other systems in a way that didn't immediately feel like garbage

It's like missing ToT in MoP
Yeah it's still there
Yeah you can do it
It just feels worse like playing a pokemon game with a game shark

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The game now if you just started is
Cap
Get to the final zone
Get geared for the raids
CN and Sepulcher weeks aren't bad because hey you just go to the zone and flying is an easy unlock including for ZM
Farming souls and anima for your covenant portal

However since you skipped the maw and everything from 9.1 the travel to sanctum is more annoying
Crafting your legendary while cheaper gold wise is now more involved because you need books since the dungeons aren't ran anymore and CN is only ran one out of every 3 weeks

Torghast is also more of a pain due to you zerging every layer unless you do gauntlet which still requires work. You can skip it by buying the package from ZM but then you need more cosmic Flux for your tier forge.


Compared to if you played through it can mostly be summed up as Veilstrider

[MightyWarrior]

Still no beta but im unsure whether its because I asked for a refund on a sub during the drought after Korthia or because I wasn't subbed for the last two months lol

[Dracullus]

Still no beta but im unsure whether its because I asked for a refund on a sub during the drought after Korthia or because I wasn't subbed for the last two months lol

Yes, Ion personally pick people that dare to ask for refund and put them on black list.

[Kiria]

One issue I have with Dragonriding in the most recent patch is that persistent rushing wind sound effect that starts as soon as you mount up on a Dragonriding mount. I think it'd be fine to have that sound effect while you're soaring downward in a vigor recharge arc of descent, but having it persistently going the entire time you're mounted up is a bit grating.

Yeah I noticed this aswell, reported it as soon as it started as it can get annoying very quickly.

[huth]

No. It simply is way harder and takes longer. At the end of the expac you lilterally get all the content the expac has to offer on one weekend. Which shows how few content the devs really add.

Actually, you're skipping a considerable part of it. Which you didn't notice because you never actually played it. But go ahead, live on in your little dreamworld where the only goal in a game is to get through it as quickly as possible and have the least possible amount of fun doing it.

[MightyWarrior]

Yes, Ion personally pick people that dare to ask for refund and put them on black list.

Ofc he does, how else is he gonna afford cream to stop his balding

[Revamp Man]

Actually, you're skipping a considerable part of it. Which you didn't notice because you never actually played it. But go ahead, live on in your little dreamworld where the only goal in a game is to get through it as quickly as possible and have the least possible amount of fun doing it.

i have learned they are simply here to stir the pot
you could prove 1+1=2 and they would still argue for it being 35

[Nymrohd]

So, question. I was relatively late in beta and I don't want to overindulge so I am not pressing with renown or anything like that. Do we have any idea what is involved in the different max level renown questlines? I think the Maruuk have none but the rest do.
Dragonscale Expedition has one questline in two parts called The Sealed Titan Facility. Is this about Tyrhold, the Vault or something else entirely?
Iskara just has one in the Chieftain's Duty and I will presume that's just more tuskar lore (which is welcome)
Valdrakken Accord is the one that is likely the most important though. We have The Silver Purpose and The Garden of Secrets. Two different questlines. Second one COULD be the one about Ysera? First one should be something that people who did the beta early have probably seen already by now.

[Xilurm]

Honestly though does balance matter all that much unless you're interested in PVP?

PS: Obviously I don't mean balance as in getting your class completely nerfed to the point it's doing fuck all damage compared to the rest, but more like if it's nerfed to the point where it's not OP compared to the rest.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly though does balance matter all that much unless you're interested in PVP?

Yes? Specs that are considered awful in the meta will struggle to find groups for anything.

[Xilurm]

Yes? Specs that are considered awful in the meta will struggle to find groups for anything.

But isn't that more of a community issue? Surely there's groups that just allow for anything unless they are racing or something.

[Makabreska]

But isn't that more of a community issue? Surely there's groups that just allow for anything unless they are racing or something.

Pretty much. So many M+/raid leaders who just glance over weekly DPS ranking and form their judgement based on that.

[Nymrohd]

But isn't that more of a community issue? Surely there's groups that just allow for anything unless they are racing or something.

Does it matter? Are we really challenging the idea that there should be at least a reasonable level of balance among classes? While the meta will give an advantage and a disadvantage to people trying to find a group, the community is not insane, it's just very sensitive to differences. You are not going to be outright denied unless the balance is very bad. Which it usually isn't because effort is made to keep it within reasonable bounds. Are you really advocating it shouldn't matter?

[Makabreska]

Does it matter? Are we really challenging the idea that there should be at least a reasonable level of balance among classes? While the meta will give an advantage and a disadvantage to people trying to find a group, the community is not insane, it's just very sensitive to differences. You are not going to be outright denied unless the balance is very bad. Which it usually isn't because effort is made to keep it within reasonable bounds. Are you really advocating it shouldn't matter?

Seems like you never played Feral. Or Survival pre-9.2.

[Xilurm]

Does it matter? Are we really challenging the idea that there should be at least a reasonable level of balance among classes? While the meta will give an advantage and a disadvantage to people trying to find a group, the community is not insane, it's just very sensitive to differences. You are not going to be outright denied unless the balance is very bad. Which it usually isn't because effort is made to keep it within reasonable bounds. Are you really advocating it shouldn't matter?

I'm just saying it's probably a minority that actually takes that stuff into account and rest play whatever they want. Besides, complain about it to Blizz for a while and they will change it up.

[Nymrohd]

Seems like you never played Feral. Or Survival pre-9.2.

I guess for Survival. I did play Feral. You had to have a lot more rating than needed but you could find groups. And again, it is because the spec sucked. So yeah, balance is pretty important.

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I'm just saying it's probably a minority that actually takes that stuff into account and rest play whatever they want. Besides, complain about it to Blizz for a while and they will change it up.

I mean sure it is a minority. It is a minority that raids and does M+ too.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah I noticed this aswell, reported it as soon as it started as it can get annoying very quickly.

Now that you say the stuff about the sounds, I'm also not a fan of that weird "glossy" filter the dragonriding mounts have sometimes. It's ok if they would get them during the flight but imo it looks ugly when they are on the earth.

[Nymrohd]

Btw I keep reporting these because they are all over the place, they go live as they are far too often and they ruin any sense of immersion while questing.
The majority of voiced discussions I've seen so far have fucked up timing with the NPCs constantly talking over each other. If you encounter them, please report them as well. Seriously I'd rather have slightly akward pauses than whatever this is and I don't even get how they can be that poorly hooked in the first place. Like, basic addition?