Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

I'll say it again. In 10.1 or 10.2 we will get the Forbidden Reach as a questing zone and with it we will get more Dracthyr classes; at minimum Hunter, Mage, Rogue, Warrior. Warriors in particular are very common among Dracthyr NPCs already.

[Raetary]

If Disorder even gets a "ruling" Pantheon, i expect them all to just be loners that just do whatever, whenever, for the sake of destruction and sowing chaos.

Regardless of that though, it'd still be very weird why none of them decided to join Sargeras willingly for a chance to destroy more, or why Sargeras didn't go after them to subdue them or take their power.

Like, why the need for corrupting his sibblings and create a "Dark Pantheon" when he could just... use the literal Pantheon of Destruction that was already there.

[Nymrohd]

If Order has the Titans, what does Disorder have? I mean without Sargeras since he clearly came from Order.

But Order doesn't have Titans. The Titans reached Zereth Ordos and received Blessings from it; they did not originate there. Titans could become aligned with Fel and Death and they liberally use Light and Life. They are creatures of the physical realm between the Six Forces. Why would creatures with that level of power not seek to breach the planes and learn their secrets? That the Titans chose to align with Order over the other forces also makes sense. They are first and foremost creators and if we want to get political, why would the biggest fish in the pond not choose the most conservative of Forces, the one most likely to retain them at the top of the status quo? And that's if it is them that found Zereth Ordos and not whatever primordial creatures of Order live there found the Titans and indoctrinated them.
What we've seen from the Void Lords, Eternals and Elune is that they cannot enter the physical realm, at least not without massive effort. Titans exist in it entirely. I'd say if Order, Chaos and Light have apex creatures, Pantheons, we haven't met them yet.


Oh my, what if Elune is trying to do the same thing that the Void Lords are and trying to incarnate using Azeroth?

[Kiivar86]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

I wouldn't look too much into it. Probably due to some toy or something.

I mean, worgen and goblins have monk animation.

[Nymrohd]

If Disorder even gets a "ruling" Pantheon, i expect them all to just be loners that just do whatever, whenever, for the sake of destruction and sowing chaos.

Regardless of that though, it'd still be very weird why none of them decided to join Sargeras willingly for a chance to destroy more, or why Sargeras didn't go after them to subdue them or take their power.

Like, why the need for corrupting his sibblings and create a "Dark Pantheon" when he could just... use the literal Pantheon of Destruction that was already there.

Maybe their greatest servants were already embedded deep in the Legion. For all we know some of the demonic races may be the Fel equivalent of the Nathrezim and the Naaru; creatures of Chaos sent into the physical. I nominate the Shivarra.

[Xilurm]

That's puzzling, yeah. Death has the Eternals, Life apparently also has a pantheon that Elune is in, Void has the Void Lords, Order has the Titans, Light has the Prime Naaru and perhaps more, but the Legion really felt centralized in its command structure, ironically for the embodiment of Chaos. Or not, considering their boss was a corrupted Order head honcho I suppose.

The idea of there being very powerful Demons who refused to serve Sargeras and grew in power in his absence could be a neat one, even if it would be a retcon.

For now I'm going to assume it was just a power structure of Demons. With the likes of pitlords or doomlords being at the top, before Sargeras and Kil'jaeden/Archimonde came to the scene.

Which would also mean something else that I approve of, that not every "pantheon" has to be equal in strength. I still refuse to believe that the Pantheon of Death is at the same level as the Titans. We clapped two of them pretty fast, one which was not only a part of the pantheon but also became much more powerful by the end. On top of that we saw a mortal ascend and become a part of said Pantheon, which would imply mortals can become as powerful as the Titans, if not more.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Denathrius leads the Legion in x.0 in a future year. Do it BLizz.

[Luck4]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

Literally, every single casting animation is there.

[Lady Atia]

Literally, every single casting animation is there.

Yeah because you can use a reflecting prism and look like a Dracthyr on any class already.

[Luck4]

Hopefully, Dragonflight will be a huge success and Blizzard will shift their focus from cosmic plane exploration.

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Yeah because you can use a reflecting prism and look like a Dracthyr on any class already.

Hey, don't crush my hopes, okay?

[Darkarath]

That's puzzling, yeah. Death has the Eternals, Life apparently also has a pantheon that Elune is in, Void has the Void Lords, Order has the Titans, Light has the Prime Naaru and perhaps more, but the Legion really felt centralized in its command structure, ironically for the embodiment of Chaos. Or not, considering their boss was a corrupted Order head honcho I suppose.

The idea of there being very powerful Demons who refused to serve Sargeras and grew in power in his absence could be a neat one, even if it would be a retcon.

I bet that the Burning Legion and the Demons in general were (and still are) way bigger than what we fought in Azeroth.

I mean, it is said that the Burning Legion destroyed thousands of planets, recruiting in the process powerful races and technology. They did this for millenia. It is almost impossible that they do not encounter other cosmic forces in their crusade. In fact, Argus was being attacked by the Void in Eredath, and we know by the Maldraxxus / Necrolord short that Death forces were fighting the Burning Legion too, at least at some point.

My guess is that the Legion had been fighting for millenia against the other cosmic forces, while still invading and destroying other planets looking for more Titans or more power for their eternal war. If they had come to Azeroth without all these other conflicts we would not have had a chance against them.

The Legion have been out there for millenia, think about it, they probably have outposts in planets that they conquered thousands of years ago, probably they do not even remember them.

They could have even been battling with other Demons who decided not to follow Sargeras, or maybe these Primordial Demons or whatever their name is were locked in their Zereth by Sargeras, but now, with a Burning Legion without a leader, they could be freed and start a new Chaos War, corrupting everything they touch with Fel energy.

[Nymrohd]

Denathrius leads the Legion in x.0 in a future year. Do it BLizz.

Denathrius and Azshara join forces and we have an entire expansion listening to voice lines were they are trying to out-camp each other.

[Jastall]

For now I'm going to assume it was just a power structure of Demons. With the likes of pitlords or doomlords being at the top, before Sargeras and Kil'jaeden/Archimonde came to the scene.

Which would also mean something else that I approve of, that not every "pantheon" has to be equal in strength. I still refuse to believe that the Pantheon of Death is at the same level as the Titans. We clapped two of them pretty fast, one which was not only a part of the pantheon but also became much more powerful by the end. On top of that we saw a mortal ascend and become a part of said Pantheon, which would imply mortals can become as powerful as the Titans, if not more.

I dislike power levels as a concept so I wouldn't be bothered by that TBH. I'm fine with some of the god-figures being very personally powerful while others are more focused on hanging out blessings and boons, or are tied to the health of whatever plane they rule. It's just that Blizzard made the Titans so strong, per previous lore that made them top dogs, that having them be one pantheon among others now makes things awkward. The perils of weapons-grade retconnium, one might say.

Anyway, how easily we slap lore figures for purples isn't always an indicator of strength. On that front gameplay trumps lore. We know Jaina isn't that strong but for the sake of her boss fight she was given the same treatment as figures like Azshara, Archimonde or the Lich King. Sometimes we need reinforcements, or a plot device or two to beat a boss (N'zoth required four in total!) but in general raid bosses aren't supposed to be treated as equal in terms of strength, especially if you factor in different expansions; ain't no way the Mantid Empress was a bigger fish than Deathwing, or that one overgrown proto-dragon is mightier than the Jailer.

And heck, if we go by that route, the tortured baby Titan is the one that inevitably oneshot the raid without the need for a very powerful magic sword. That's still pretty impressive.

[Revamp Man]

Denathrius and Azshara join forces and we have an entire expansion listening to voice lines were they are trying to out-camp each other.

I mean this is definitely possible
They are essentially two of the same

[Lahis]

Would make sense. It also gives me hope that if Elune by any chance is part of the plane of Life, she's the only one there. With all the wild gods being her followers. Really, not every plane needs a Pantheon.

"by any chance"

Shadowlands, Ardenweald and the Winter Queen have confirmed that Elune is being from the plane of Life.

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Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

Every Player Character race has animations for every class.

What if your warrior or monk used Ai-Li's Skymirror on a Dracthyr? Should they just t-pose in combat because Dracthyr isn't supposed to be those classes?

[Zelk]

Denathrius and Azshara join forces and we have an entire expansion listening to voice lines were they are trying to out-camp each other.

Xal'atath not invited?

[Myradin]

Attempt at posting in the proper thread #2:

https://twitter.com/MistweaverLily/s...46186402910208

So much for Dracthyr not going to get class animations.

Aren't they just using the female worgen rig?

[Makorus]

"by any chance"

Shadowlands, Ardenweald and the Winter Queen have confirmed that Elune is being from the plane of Life.

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Every Player Character race has animations for every class.

What if your warrior or monk used Ai-Li's Skymirror on a Dracthyr? Should they just t-pose in combat because Dracthyr isn't supposed to be those classes?

Most races dont have DH animations

[Kuntantee]

Hopefully, Dragonflight will be a huge success and Blizzard will shift their focus from cosmic plane exploration.

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Hey, don't crush my hopes, okay?

You confuse what DF is; it's shadowlands with most of the borrowed-power baked in. The rest? Same systems, same design philosophy, same everything. I have been following beta closely this time, if you haven't, let me enlighten you; they ignored pretty much all the feedback. In SL, the ignored the problems with covenants. In DF, they are ignoring problems with talents. Retri is a fucking joke. DH is ok number wise, but the design philosophy there is a fucking joke. Evoker is not ready to ship. And from what I read, Shadow Priests, Guardian Druids are fucked too. They are now preparing the addict masses to the new idea that each expansion is going to have 8 and only 8 new dungeons. Half of it at the start and other half after months, and the rest is rehashed shit. That's effectively 4 new dungeons. It is beyond me why there is not a community outrage about the amount of content we are getting...Dragonflight will go live with broken classes and extremely poor content to bump 4th quarterly results.

This expansion is bound to fail.

[Raetary]

Every Player Character race has animations for every class.

What if your warrior or monk used Ai-Li's Skymirror on a Dracthyr? Should they just t-pose in combat because Dracthyr isn't supposed to be those classes?

I am aware, the post is a dig at a certain someone who was adamant about them getting other class animations.