Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Auxis]

There's still Tel'abim, at least. I'm sure there are other islands that they've mentioned that they could use. Maybe they could do a "Sea's Expansion" (people usually say South Seas, but the south is pretty much used up by now, unless they are SOUTH SOUTH, as in past Pandaria somehow. I wonder if there is an "Antarctica" for Azeroth? Maybe Titan facilities on either magnetic pole for observation and maintenance of Azeroth's vitals? Granted, the North pole is more than likely Northrend and there is a facility up there already. But that wasn't placed there intentionally is it moved with the Sundering..

[Jaggler]

They just pulled another continent out of thin air. So I wouldn't say we are automatically jumping back into the cosmos. Personally I think an expansion which explores both is ideal for setting.

the Dragon Isles are certainly not "pulled out of thin air" lol

[Nyel]

There’s still Undermine, which was a planned continent during vanilla, and Blizzard devs stated that they wanted to revisit at some point in the future.

I doubt it would be 11.0, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see such an expansion beyond that.

I forgot Undermine (and Tel'Abim), but I have a hard time imagining them as a location for an expansion, especially with biomes that are very much like Zandalar / Dragon Isles (most likely).

[Nymrohd]

I forgot Undermine (and Tel'Abim), but I have a hard time imagining them as a location for an expansion, especially with biomes that are very much like Zandalar / Dragon Isles (most likely).

I'm still surprised we did not get Tel'abim as an Island Expedition

[Auxis]

This is from a reddit post I just found on the topic of the 'Other Side of Azeroth' The OP makes a point that in the Antorus end cinematic when Sargeras stabs Azeroth, the known seas and landmasses of Azeroth only take up about 1/4 or 1/3 of the planet.

I think the 2nd quote must be from Chronicles or something:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...de_of_azeroth/

I’ve found proof there are other continent!!! In WoW Chronicles it states that Ancient Kalimdor was the largest of the continents, meaning there were other continents before the Sundering. All the current known landmasses are from Ancient Kalimdor, so yes, there are definitely more undiscovered ones!

"The world of Azeroth may have lands located at the other side, beyond the Veiled Sea to the west of Kalimdor, and beyond the Forbidding Sea to the east of the Eastern Kingdoms. No one is sure or has knowledge of what (if anything) lie on the other side of Azeroth. "A handful of ships have ventured from Kalimdor away from the Maelstrom — to the north, west, and south. None have yet returned."

[Xilurm]

Well if they ever need to they can certainly make more. I mean one was already hinted at in the PTR.

[Khaza-R]

the Dragon Isles are certainly not "pulled out of thin air" lol

The Dragon Isles is a concept from WoW Alpha, so not really out of thin air.

I was talking about Avaloren. Not the DI

[Varodoc]

Stormwind is ruled by a Lordaeron knight and a Gilnean king.

That's already enough. Not need to ruin it further.

Why do you mention Genn instead of Alleria? Does Genn actually have a leadership position? If so, why is he not found in the war room next to the throne room in-game, alongside Alleria and the other chief advisors of the Regent?

Regardless, it's a period of regency. Turalyon is the de-facto king in all but name, and has been for many years by the time of Dragonflight; as players with meta knowledge, we see this. But, the people of Stormwind are probably still under the illusion that it's just a regency and their boy king will come back. That's probably why no one cares in-universe that a Lordaeron noble is now ruling Stormwind.

You are also forgetting about the House of Nobles. They are a Stormwind organization, they handle the day-to-day affairs of the nation, and they have openly supported Turalyon. Still, they are in the government of Stormwind.

[Sondrelk]

I forgot Undermine (and Tel'Abim), but I have a hard time imagining them as a location for an expansion, especially with biomes that are very much like Zandalar / Dragon Isles (most likely).

They both sound like single zone ideas, maybe two each at a stretch.
Undermine is said to be large, but it's still effectively just the goblin capital, there are limits to how large you can make a wow city before it stretches credibility.
Tel'abim meanwhile is essentially a joke location, and while i don't see a problem with it being a zone, i think it's an issue to have carry an expansion.

Really lots of these locations would fit into a south Seas expansion along with other single zone ideas like Plunder isle. However not of these got taken by BfA, and I find it difficult to assume we will have another island based expansion after BfA took most of the good ideas.

[Ersula]

Why do you mention Genn instead of Alleria? Does Genn actually have a leadership position? If so, why is he not found in the war room next to the throne room in-game, alongside Alleria and the other chief advisors of the Regent?

Okay, a Lordaeron Knight, a Gilnean King, and an.... elf of the ranger persuasion, the most common of elf professions.

[8bithamster]

There’s still Undermine, which was a planned continent during vanilla, and Blizzard devs stated that they wanted to revisit at some point in the future.

I doubt it would be 11.0, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see such an expansion beyond that.

Let me guess..

Yrel is the next expansion because nozdormu. That will lead to tinker and after that undermine? Did I miss any other overused tropes with 0 basis?

[Berkilak]

I'm still surprised we did not get Tel'abim as an Island Expedition

I was convinced it was going to be a Dragon Isles zone. I was assuming the Dragon Isles would be flying amongst the clouds, and Tel'Abim would have been the jungle zone of the expansion, complete with a follow-up on those flying hozen.

[Revamp Man]

I was talking about Avaloren. Not the DI

I feel avaloren will be where we get anduin back simply because he's the Arthur style character

[Kiivar86]

They can certainly expand Tel'abim but I agree that it doesn't seem like much for a full expansion.

Avaloren sounds possible though. But as I love Arthurian and fae themes, I may be a bit too hopeful for a whole expansion around it.

[Berkilak]

I feel avaloren will be where we get anduin back simply because he's the Arthur style character

WoW has never really done a straight up Arthurian pastiche. I would welcome it. Might even get to see my namesake in it!

[TS26]

I was talking about Avaloren. Not the DI

we always assumed there was an entire side of azeroth that we know nothing about. I remember the red shirt guy at blizzcon asking blizzard about it.

[Cheezits]

They both sound like single zone ideas, maybe two each at a stretch.
Undermine is said to be large, but it's still effectively just the goblin capital, there are limits to how large you can make a wow city before it stretches credibility.
Tel'abim meanwhile is essentially a joke location, and while i don't see a problem with it being a zone, i think it's an issue to have carry an expansion.

Really lots of these locations would fit into a south Seas expansion along with other single zone ideas like Plunder isle. However not of these got taken by BfA, and I find it difficult to assume we will have another island based expansion after BfA took most of the good ideas.

I'll take, "What is Pandaria" for 500. I know Samwise and TBC devs had some ideas but the idea was 100% a joke at the beginning in WC3.

They can definitely take an existing name of something of an unknown size (Shadowlands, Kul'tiras to Kul Tiras) and stretch it out into a whole continent if they want.

Avaloren could be a new continent but it could also be the area that is not highlighted on the Dragon Isles map. It could just be an invisible island cloaked similarly to the DI themselves. We know Underground Isles are likely 10.1 and the new lore books tease the Dwarves there, so Avaloren may be tied to Dragonflight.

Additionally, Avaloren may be tied to "New Avalon" from Wrath, and we know the Scarlets are coming back... maybe their new (or old) base of operations? After all, where was the first Avalon?

[Lahis]

11.0 will be intresting because after Dragon Isles they run out of every "Vanilla" content they could give us. Now it's down to completely new planets/realms or some cosmic bullshittery. And that's the point I dread, because it completely leaves the "Warcraft" aspect behind. Shadowlands and to a lesser extent WoD has already been such an outlier. WoD at least felt like Warcraft, Shadowlands absolutely not.

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By the way, some specs have become so complex and overcomplicated, which is a huge complaint in beta feedback threads as well. How am I supposed to play Shadow or Balance in Dragonflight? Not even guidewriters have found a conclusion yet. While a lot of variety and different playstyles is good, with some specs they just made it too difficult to have a straight forward playstyle.

While Devastation Evoker is the most boring and bland spec ever created (which relies on about 3-5 buttons in the normal rotation and has barely any in-depth interactions), specs like Shadow or Balance have like 10 buttons they constantly need to press plus another 5-10 ocasional abilities that interact with their playstyle. I don't know if this is a problem with hybrid specs only, but some of them are very straight-forward and don't have button bloat (Elemental Shaman for example) while others like the two mentioned or Enhancer have just so many buttons to press and passive interactions to juggle.

Right now I'm sitting here waiting for a guide, because I haven't played Shadow / Balance quite some time and I'm a bit out of the loop, but PTR was completely overwhemling me with options to play both. And yet guidewriters can't figure it out either.

How y'all approaching this?

Balance has one new button and that is the mushroom.

[Cheezits]

If there are any new continents they will be tied to existing lore and themes, just like how Dragon Isles is propped up by centaurs, tuskarr etc beyond the dragons. Shadowlands already did this, even if it was criticized as being too alien (each zone besides Oribos is related to something existing on Azeroth).

Hence why Avaloren being connected to the Scarlets isn't a big jump IMO.

[Sondrelk]

WoW has never really done a straight up Arthurian pastiche. I would welcome it. Might even get to see my namesake in it!

Arthas is the dark take on Arthur. Prince gets a magical sword and brings his country to ruin.