Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Well he was talking about Titan Keepers. The ones in Uldum and Pandaria are watchers.

The Keepers are Archaedas, Ra, Freya, Hodir, Loken, Mimiron, Odyn, Tyr and Thorim

I think that is already retconned internally. Innaria is named a Keeper. We could find a full group of Sumerian (Inanna or Nanna) or Japanese (Inari)-themed keepers dead in Avaloren. Hey if it's themed after the Arthurian mythos, they need to kill some pagans!

[Dwill]

If we have a passenger when Dragonriding and we get a dragon glyph, would the passenger also get the glyph if they didn't have it or do they need to get it while Dragonriding ?

[Jaggler]

I think that is already retconned internally. Innaria is named a Keeper. We could find a full group of Sumerian (Inanna or Nanna) or Japanese (Inari)-themed keepers dead in Avaloren. Hey if it's themed after the Arthurian mythos, they need to kill some pagans!

Well, they could always add new Keepers. I'm not saying all Keepers have to be Norse inspired, (as they currently already aren't)

[Dracullus]

If you mean SL Threads of Fate, i don't think there were ever plans to change them?
So you should still be able to level with either method

Oh at some point I expect it to be nerfed to the ground since post-9.1.5 threads could be too good compared to Chromie. WoD bonus objectivies were nerfed for similar reason.

I just hope they haven't bother with this yet, still have 4 more 50s before I'm done with all chars.

[Berkilak]

If we have a passenger when Dragonriding and we get a dragon glyph, would the passenger also get the glyph if they didn't have it or do they need to get it while Dragonriding ?

They get it.

[Dwill]

They get it.

Perfect. Thanks for the answer!

[Lahis]

They get it.

"/2 Selling all Dragonriding Glyphs 30k"

[Makabreska]

Welp, people may have to figure out stuff themselves. Or just pick what they like the most:

[THEORACLE64]

Welp, people may have to figure out stuff themselves. Or just pick what they like the most:

Excellent.

[Gorsameth]

Welp, people may have to figure out stuff themselves. Or just pick what they like the most:

Or just use some common sense and test a few possibilities. There really isn't a need to test every possible permutation.

[huth]

Or just use some common sense and test a few possibilities. There really isn't a need to test every possible permutation.

This. Don't see why you would ever actually need to do that - many talents can be ruled out as options simply based on what you're trying to achieve. Even more so on the class side. A tank probably doesn't want hard cast healing spells.

This is just using brute force when there is no need to.

[Berkilak]

Welp, people may have to figure out stuff themselves. Or just pick what they like the most:

They (being your number-crunchers of choice) just need to sim them once. Then the players just choose between the top builds, and sim between a few select options. This isn't going to make people think for themselves if they weren't already doing so.

[Makabreska]

They (being your number-crunchers of choice) just need to sim them once. Then the players just choose between the top builds, and sim between a few select options. This isn't going to make people think for themselves if they weren't already doing so.

Ye, you forgot that with this huge talent revamp for everyone, there will be constant adjustments. As they said, it takes currently 5 full days to imprfectly sim a spec. GL doing it back to back only to start over because something has changed.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Welp, people may have to figure out stuff themselves. Or just pick what they like the most:

I figure somebody will make an alternative calculation system, but this bodes well if true. It means that we won't see the "cookie-cutter" builds people were worried about, at least not until field testing becomes more plausible.

[Gorsameth]

I figure somebody will make an alternative calculation system, but this bodes well if true. It means that we won't see the "cookie-cutter" builds people were worried about, at least not until field testing becomes more plausible.

we had cookie cutter builds before sims existed. They are never going to go away.

Oh no, you can't brute force check something. I'm sure absolutely no one is working on being remotely smart about it to reduce the amount of possible permutations that need to be simulated... /s

[Berkilak]

Ye, you forgot that with this huge talent revamp for everyone, there will be constant adjustments. As they said, it takes currently 5 full days to imprfectly sim a spec. GL doing it back to back only to start over because something has changed.

I think you're overestimating how much variation there will be. For the most part, we still have "pick these for single-target," "pick these for AoE," "pick these for PvP," and so on. If you have a singular goal, there's only going to be a couple ways to achieve that goal. If you're looking to pump single-target, why are you simming AoE talents? Why are you simming all first/second-tier talent builds? There's so much useless junk going on. A bot can very easily know what is worth simming and what is not.

Give it a couple weeks.

[Revamp Man]

Ye, you forgot that with this huge talent revamp for everyone, there will be constant adjustments. As they said, it takes currently 5 full days to imprfectly sim a spec. GL doing it back to back only to start over because something has changed.

I'm using this prepatch to just have tons of fun
I'm going venthyr on my WW for the covenant ability we never used

Might see if I can turn my DK into a zookeeper
No aoe on my pally
Ultra fire Mage with big pyros

Gonna be a crazy time

[Koollan]

Please no.. We don't need an expansion gadgetzan. I'd much rather have some originality.

Much rather see some stuff from other planes. So much things they can do with that.

Shadowlands was one of the planes and they pretty objectively ruined the mysticism of death in its entirety. They also said 'f you' to shamans and monks. Their afterlives don't even exist at all. Imho, they'd provide similar treatments to the other planes of magic. It would largely be ruinous to WoW as a whole if we explored more of these planes. The only one I could fathom us going back to is the Emerald Dream, given that it's one of the already-explored-partially planes. We'd best leave all of the others alone until proper depth is added to each of their lores in prior expansions.

[huth]

Ye, you forgot that with this huge talent revamp for everyone, there will be constant adjustments. As they said, it takes currently 5 full days to imprfectly sim a spec. GL doing it back to back only to start over because something has changed.

What takes 5 days is simming every possible talent setup for the spec tree. Many of those are not going to be sensible options to begin with and are basically just a waste of time. You could massively decrease the time required by cutting it down to only those that might actually be good.

All this means is that bruteforcing isn't going to be a viable and sensible method of doing it.

[Throren]

Speaking about other drake types - are there even wild versions of the wylder- and velocidrakes on the isles? It felt super weird to just get them as random quest rewards without any story connection or backstory on them.

There's a member of the blue Dragonflight that uses the Wlyderdrake model that you meet in Azure span. He's got the -gos name ending, talks and everything