Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Holdodlig]

The bigger, bigger question, is why didn't the Titans use Zereth Ordos to "order" the entire reality at once, similar to how the Janitor tried to. After all, they had the knowledge of it and more than likely had unlimited access to their Zereth and the means to power it up?

The even bigger, bigger question, is why didn't Sargeras "unmake" the entire existence that way? After destroying the Pantheon, he likely had access to both Zereths- of Order and Chaos, plus he had a spare titan(Argus) to fuel the process?

Something tells me that we're in for a lot more retc... I mean "new information". If I had to bet, the next in line is that Azeroth is not a nascent Titan, but a First One.

Just when the shitshow called Shadowlands started to fade from my memory and I was looking forward to an "untainted" new journey in Dragonflight, Steve "many threads of a rope" Danuser had to continue his "fuck the old lore" crusade.

Titans have a long history of unused engines. But I guess they're going to do as UndedoKoleda said.

[Nymrohd]

The bigger, bigger question, is why didn't the Titans use Zereth Ordos to "order" the entire reality at once, similar to how the Janitor tried to. After all, they had the knowledge of it and more than likely had unlimited access to their Zereth and the means to power it up?

The even bigger, bigger question, is why didn't Sargeras "unmake" the entire existence that way? After destroying the Pantheon, he likely had access to both Zereths- of Order and Chaos, plus he had a spare titan(Argus) to fuel the process?

Something tells me that we're in for a lot more retc... I mean "new information". If I had to bet, the next in line is that Azeroth is not a nascent Titan, but a First One.

Just when the shitshow called Shadowlands started to fade from my memory and I was looking forward to an "untainted" new journey in Dragonflight, Steve "many threads of a rope" Danuser had to continue his "fuck the old lore" crusade.

I mean if there is a Pantheon that was going to obey its makers it would be the Order pantheon.

And yeah I am also thinking Azeroth is pretty much the Omega of the First Ones or something of that sort.

[Cosmic Janitor]

So nobody can answer this? A book was announced back during Dragonflight announcement iirc, but it just seems to have been forgotten? I can't find any recent information about it.

There has been no update. Even Amazon still only has it as untitled wow book with a release date of november 2026. So I would guess it's not gonne be ready anytime soon. Wowhead posted something about a dragon guide recently, maybe Blizzard thought that one was going to sell better and froze the other one.

[huth]

Tbf, smurf nipple man had to dominate Azeroth for that to happen.

Whereas Thul and co. want her to be born.

I imagine they have some reservations using an unborn baby of their own species as fuel.

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The bigger, bigger question, is why didn't the Titans use Zereth Ordos to "order" the entire reality at once, similar to how the Janitor tried to. After all, they had the knowledge of it and more than likely had unlimited access to their Zereth and the means to power it up?

The even bigger, bigger question, is why didn't Sargeras "unmake" the entire existence that way? After destroying the Pantheon, he likely had access to both Zereths- of Order and Chaos, plus he had a spare titan(Argus) to fuel the process?

Something tells me that we're in for a lot more retc... I mean "new information". If I had to bet, the next in line is that Azeroth is not a nascent Titan, but a First One.

Just when the shitshow called Shadowlands started to fade from my memory and I was looking forward to an "untainted" new journey in Dragonflight, Steve "many threads of a rope" Danuser had to continue his "fuck the old lore" crusade.

Only if you didn't pay attention in Shadowlands. Accessing Zereth Ordos may well have been why he needed to "convert" the Pantheon - it probably has a security system similar to Mortis.

As for why they didn't order reality that way, it may well not be possible. Destroying things is easier than rebuilding. Also, remember that out of the Death pantheon, only one was willing to go against the First One's rules and even enter it. And you're now asking why the Order Pantheon isn't doing it? Did you even spend a second thinking about that?

Maybe you should spend less time raging about how bad Shadowlands is and more on learning what actually happened there.

[infinitemeridian]

1) Is there a date for prepatch yet?
2) Are we going to get animated shorts like we did for the last expansions?

[Sondrelk]

1) Is there a date for prepatch yet?
2) Are we going to get animated shorts like we did for the last expansions?

28th of October, the day after the Season 4 of SL ends.

[Arafal]

2) Are we going to get animated shorts like we did for the last expansions?

Yes.

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[UndedoKoleda]

I imagine they have some reservations using an unborn baby of their own species as fuel.

Yes, of course. The First Ones specifically tuned the Zereths to be accessible only if a Titan soul is to be sacrificed. It's a real shame, that the Titan Pantheon, which traversed the entire universe and probably had plenty of other insanely potent sources of power, had only that single option of sacrificing an unborn baby in order to power the Zereth. Bummer.

Only if you didn't pay attention in Shadowlands. Accessing Zereth Ordos may well have been why he needed to "convert" the Pantheon - it probably has a security system similar to Mortis.

As for why they didn't order reality that way, it may well not be possible. Destroying things is easier than rebuilding. Also, remember that out of the Death pantheon, only one was willing to go against the First One's rules and even enter it. And you're now asking why the Order Pantheon isn't doing it? Did you even spend a second thinking about that?

Maybe you should spend less time raging about how bad Shadowlands is and more on learning what actually happened there.

I admit, at some point I stopped paying attention to the Shadowlands(for my own sake). I followed the story to the point, where the Jailer managed to reach Zereth Mortis some five minutes after being set free. Oh, and about five minutes later, the Primus forged a brand new batch of sigils, which were sufficient to open again the gateway to the same Zereth Mortis. So what exactly was stopping Sargeras, who had near unlimited resources and freedom(and the spirits of the original Pantheon on Argus), from doing the same?

And why wouldn't the Pantheon of Order go all out to fulfill its purpose and ultimate goal and bring order to the entire universe? Contrary to the popular belief, they are not robots programmed to do something, unquestionably. They killed one Old God on Azeroth, and then decided to imprison the rest. They are perfectly capable of critical thinking and have free will(as we know from the entire saga of Sargeras). Additionally, they have no problem outright lying about the existence of the First Ones and their role, so what would stop them from going to Zereth Ordos and do exactly the thing that they strive most to?

[Avikur]

28th of October, the day after the Season 4 of SL ends.

Not officially, but a fairly safe bet - and it'd be October 25th for US and 26th for EU.

[Sondrelk]

Not officially, but a fairly safe bet - and it'd be October 25th for US and 26th for EU.

Ahh yeah, I was confusing it for the 28th of November for the proper release.
And I feel like it has to be the day after the season ends. What else could possibly happen afterwards? A week of nothing?

[Avikur]

Ahh yeah, I was confusing it for the 28th of November for the proper release.
And I feel like it has to be the day after the season ends. What else could possibly happen afterwards? A week of nothing?

Yep, can't see they'd leave it a week after the season ends, however, if it will be 25/26 then they need to announce it this week surely? Ideally with a schedule - ie - when does the event start, when is the dungeon available, when are Evokers playable etc. It's already going to be a short (ish) pre patch at just 4 resets until the expansion. My bet is:


25th/26th Pre patch, talent changes, new UI, professions etc

1st/2nd Evokers and Dungeon

8th/9th Event


That gives people a week to see the new UI and talents before the new class and dungeon, then a week to play around with them before the event starts and the event will last just over 2 weeks.

[Catastrophy349]

Some interesting dialogue from raid entrance between Kalecgos and Khadgar regarding a certain bronze dragon.

[Nymrohd]

Some interesting dialogue from raid entrance between Kalecgos and Khadgar regarding a certain bronze dragon.

Dude, just use spoiler tags and post it? Or straight up spoil it, this is the beta thread.

[Sondrelk]

Yep, can't see they'd leave it a week after the season ends, however, if it will be 25/26 then they need to announce it this week surely? Ideally with a schedule - ie - when does the event start, when is the dungeon available, when are Evokers playable etc. It's already going to be a short (ish) pre patch at just 4 resets until the expansion. My bet is:


25th/26th Pre patch, talent changes, new UI, professions etc

1st/2nd Evokers and Dungeon

8th/9th Event


That gives people a week to see the new UI and talents before the new class and dungeon, then a week to play around with them before the event starts and the event will last just over 2 weeks.

I don't think they need to announce much of anything really. The important bit is that the season is ending, alongside any chance of getting the unique rewards from M+ and PvP. The actual changes that are coming in the Pre-patch could come the day before and be fine. The actual events aren't even going to be available from the start, so plenty of time to let players get used to the changes before bombarding them with info on the Dracthyr creation, or actual events like the dungeon.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dude, just use spoiler tags and post it? Or straight up spoil it, this is the beta thread.

spoiler tags is preferable.

[Catastrophy349]

Dude, just use spoiler tags and post it? Or straight up spoil it, this is the beta thread.

So, when you enter the raid, this dialogue happens:

Archmage Khadgar: The Kirin Tor has answered the Dragon Queen's call, Kalecgos. But I wish the other Aspects were here with us.

Kalecgos: Alexstrasza is still recovering from her last encounter with Raszageth. Nozdormu feels the weight of destiny pressing down upon him.
Kalecgos: It falls to us to take back this prison from the Primalists and ensure the other Incarnates are not freed.

Archmade Khadgar: Then we shall not fail, my friend.
Archmage Khadgar: Who knows? This battle may inspire a tale that you can share with your own clutch one day.

[Varodoc]

So, when you enter the raid, this dialogue happens:

As per his own admission in the End Times, Nozdormu's fate is inescapable. He is doomed to become Murozond the Infinite Lord. His destiny cannot be changed, and that is the tragedy of his story; and it is also a reminder that even the almighty dragons can be broken by the Void whispers.

[Arafal]

So, when you enter the raid, this dialogue happens:

There isn't anything that the questing experience doesn't already make clear.

[Greyfang]

Wait, did they really make sauron bang galadriel in rings of power? LOL

Off topic, but no. Please don't listen to Ersula, that's absolutely wrong. Spoilers He offered her to rule by her side, the offer is 100% related to a power play, not romantic. Confirmed by the actors.

I would like Dragonflight being the remnants of the Titans & Old Gods coming together against elementals but they absolutely refuse to give is a simple villain whos intentions aren't ambiguous. Is it really that hard to give us another Arthas?
She thinks Celeborn is dead & she has this budding romance with the guy who she thinks is Aragorn's grandfather...only to reveal its actually Sauron this whole time. They didn't bang (yet) but its this big seduction thing. Like Sauron legit loves her, and wants her to be his "Dark Queen, as beautiful & terrible as the dawn.

She thinks Celeborn is either dead or missing, unknown at this point. The dude you're referencing is NOT supposed to be Aragorn's grandfather, like at all. Have you even been paying attention? He's supposedly an heir to a kingdom in the Southlands. Either way, he does NOT love her, and offered her a place by his side in a power play which she refused because she correctly guessed she would have been her first and most important slave, but a slave nonetheless.

[Forum Man]

Ahh yeah, I was confusing it for the 28th of November for the proper release.
And I feel like it has to be the day after the season ends. What else could possibly happen afterwards? A week of nothing?

Well literally the only thing going away is pvp rating and rewards because ksm and aotc are staying