Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makorus]

Why is it upsetting that a popular streamer is returning to the game or doing what it is in his self interest as a professional?

That seems...weird? Would you pass up a massive raise at your job lol?

If I quit my shitty job saying "I will never come back here again" and then I crawl back to said job once it looks like things are going up, then yeah, I feel like people would be justified to call out my hypocrisy.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why is it upsetting that a popular streamer is returning to the game or doing what it is in his self interest as a professional?

That seems...weird? Would you pass up a massive raise at your job lol?

If I quit a job for ethic issues (I did) and those issues were still very much on going I wouldn’t go back even for more money.

It’s understandable that some people don’t care as much about the ethic issues as they do about there own pay day but it would be nice if they atleast didn’t pretend like they do care.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It's pretty stressful being a Night Elf fan tbh.

This playerbase really doesn't understand what "stress" means, do they?

[Xilurm]

This playerbase really doesn't understand what "stress" means, do they?

Ok it's a bit exaggerated. It's not like I need my blood pressure checked or anything.

I'm just saying, every time I hear there's new nelf lore I get worried it's gonna be shit.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

If I quit a job for ethic issues (I did) and those issues were still very much on going I wouldn’t go back even for more money.

It’s understandable that some people don’t care as much about the ethic issues as they do about there own pay day but it would be nice if they atleast didn’t pretend like they do care.

It is a little fishy, I won't lie. I think that if it were just "the game is bad, I quit" followed by "game's looking better, I'll come back", that's 100% fair—quality of a product fluctuates over its lifespan, and if the quality is going back up that's a perfectly fine reason to come back. It seems a little iffy, however, to effectively boycott Blizzard over one major, glaring issue (i.e. treatment of employees) and then come back when a smaller, comparatively entirely irrelevant one (i.e. the quality of the game) is resolved.

On the other hand, I have done something not dissimilar. I will say in Preach's defense that there's a certain degree to which the purchase and whatnot could've been involved, somewhat mitigating the connection between the current establishment and its prior evils. Not to mention that the employees also need paychecks—but I won't lie, with my own connection to the game, I don't really trust my own judgment on this. It's 100% skewed to some degree or another, and I may be huffing copium. Still, either way you'd expect him to at least continue to address the employee mistreatment issue, which seems to have been swept under the rug entirely for some people.

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He cut ties originally when the lawsuit came to light because of how blizzard was handling it and how he didn’t want to do press for them while treating there employees so poorly. Walk outs are still happening, they are still trying to get the case dismissed, they are still union busting. Blizzard is still doing every thing in its power to avoid accountability and not treat there employees right.

But now that there’s a bunch of hype those issues are on the back burner and he’s not only doing press for them again he’s doing it out of pocket to get juicier tid bits.

The reasoning is rather easy to judge.

That's a fair judgment. Preach's decision is kind of iffy, and I think that more could be done by everybody, but especially those with audiences, to put pressure on Blizzard to permit more employee unionization. Won't lie that I can't judge in coming back, though, which I admit I intend to do with Dragonflight.

[Gurahk]

Orcs don't even have any characters left. Thrall is barely an orc aside from appearance (doesn't do much either nowadays), Eitrigg is old and fragile, Gey'arwho was forgotten the expansion she was introduced in and previously established characters like Nazgrel are stuck in Outlands
Feels like none of the current writers can or want to write orcs anymore, a real shame.
Edit: I forgot to mention Nazgrim, he and Thrall was in the same raid that Garrosh was turned to dust in, and yet they had no interactions whatsoever?

[Xilurm]

Orcs don't even have any characters left. Thrall is barely an orc aside from appearance (doesn't do much either nowadays), Eitrigg is old and fragile, Gey'arwho was forgotten the expansion she was introduced in and previously established characters like Nazgrel are stuck in Outlands
Feels like none of the current writers can or want to write orcs anymore, a real shame.

Don't forget the whole "council" part. Cause that's always exciting.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Ya but I’d think most YouTubers would avoid drawing ethic lines in the sand and then going “that line never mattered” so blatantly while the issue is still ongoing.

Admittedly, the same goes for much of the playerbase. It did seem like people decided to stop giving that issue press when it really should've continued. Everybody moved on to the new big outrage and didn't seem to have the time to dedicate to the issues which remained.

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Gey'arwho was forgotten the expansion she was introduced in and previously established characters like Nazgrel are stuck in Outlands

That's a bit snappy. She had a few moments over BfA and she obviously had no real opportunities to do anything in Shadowlands. We can't simply assume she'll be phased out of relevance altogether.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It is a little fishy, I won't lie. I think that if it were just "the game is bad, I quit" followed by "game's looking better, I'll come back", that's 100% fair—quality of a product fluctuates over its lifespan, and if the quality is going back up that's a perfectly fine reason to come back. It seems a little iffy, however, to effectively boycott Blizzard over one major, glaring issue (i.e. treatment of employees) and then come back when a smaller, comparatively entirely irrelevant one (i.e. the quality of the game) is resolved.

if he just said “game bad I’ll come back when it’s good” I don’t think there would be a problem I think he did exactly that some time during Wod and it seems completely fair.

It’s the blatant hypocrisy and using the lawsuit to push views when he Apparently never actually cared about it that rubs the wrong way.

On the other hand, I have done something not dissimilar. I will say in Preach's defense that there's a certain degree to which the purchase and whatnot could've been involved, somewhat mitigating the connection between the current establishment and its prior evils. Not to mention that the employees also need paychecks—but I won't lie, with my own connection to the game, I don't really trust my own judgment on this. It's 100% skewed to some degree or another, and I may be huffing copium. Still, either way you'd expect him to at least continue to address the employee mistreatment issue, which seems to have been swept under the rug entirely for some people.

I don’t really think the purchase by Microsoft can be used as n excuse when we still have stuff like this going on the week of his visit.

Earlier this week, the chief communications officer of Activision Blizzard King used a one way channel in Slack to send a disgusting anti-union message to 18,000 people at the company.

BREAKING: The Communications Workers of America have filed unfair labor practice charges against Activision Blizzard in response to a slack message sent to employees by the company’s communications executive, Lulu Cheng Meservey.
@ABetterABK @WeAreGWA @WeAreGWAAlbany

Activision Blizzard has failed in its attempt to have the gender discrimination lawsuit filed against it dismissed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ABetterABK/with_replies

[Cheezits]

Orcs don't even have any characters left. Thrall is barely an orc aside from appearance (doesn't do much either nowadays), Eitrigg is old and fragile, Gey'arwho was forgotten the expansion she was introduced in and previously established characters like Nazgrel are stuck in Outlands
Feels like none of the current writers can or want to write orcs anymore, a real shame.
Edit: I forgot to mention Nazgrim, he and Thrall was in the same raid that Garrosh was turned to dust in, and yet they had no interactions whatsoever?

Orcs as a race aren't relevant in SL or DF, none of the races are besides Night Elves and maaaaybe Forsaken in SL. In BFA they were SO Orcy that they got swatted back down. But the only playable races that matter in DF are Nelves and Dracthyr.

We just aren't getting any race content for a while and we likely won't ever until we go back to the OG continents.

[Nymrohd]

I mean if we wanted someone competent to lead the Night Elves (not someone powerful, someone skilled in actual leadership), the very obvious choice by lore is Jarod. He could move on with his life, return Shandris' feelings and we'll have a new couple leading the Night Elves.

[Cheezits]

Reposting a suggestion from the lore forums, but what if "Avaloren" is an ancient name for the top part of the Eastern Kingdoms that feature Tyr's fall, the original light worshippers (heretics) etc?

This could play into the idea of an "EK revamp" expansion if they update that part by itself and call it Avaloren.

The EK starting at Arathi is TECHNICALLY its own continent, just bridged over...

[AOL Instant Messenger]

if he just said “game bad I’ll come back when it’s good” I don’t think there would be a problem I think he did exactly that some time during Wod and it seems completely fair.

It’s the blatant hypocrisy and using the lawsuit to push views when he Apparently never actually cared about it that rubs the wrong way.

Yeah, that's fair.

I don’t really think the purchase by Microsoft can be used as n excuse when we still have stuff like this going on the week of his visit.

What I was considering is that Microsoft may take efforts to reorganize Blizzard's management or intervene more in their decision-making. Broadly-speaking, the anti-union behavior does seem to remain, and I do wonder if Microsoft will bother to crack down to avoid bad press or not. I actually checked and they seem to kind of be going that way, but it does feel too early to tell how this will turn out in the long-run. However, you are correct that as of now Blizzard continues to be unduly aggressive and generally shady in dealing with unions.

Still, I return to my prior comment that he definitely could've at least tried to use his platform to chat with or continue to support unionized employees and draw some attention to that whole mess.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah, that's fair.



What I was considering is that Microsoft may take efforts to reorganize Blizzard's management or intervene more in their decision-making. Broadly-speaking, the anti-union behavior does seem to remain, and I do wonder if Microsoft will bother to crack down to avoid bad press or not. I actually checked and they seem to kind of be going that way, but it does feel too early to tell how this will turn out in the long-run. However, you are correct that as of now Blizzard continues to be unduly aggressive and generally shady in dealing with unions.

Still, I return to my prior comment that he definitely could've at least tried to use his platform to chat with or continue to support unionized employees and draw some attention to that whole mess.

If after the Microsoft buyout and if they stick to not opposing the union he came back I also think that would be totally legit as well.

But we’ll a return half way through DF will likely get less clicks so doing stuff right before launch and ignoring the going ons is obviously the best bet for his bank account.

[Sondrelk]

Admittedly, the same goes for much of the playerbase. It did seem like people decided to stop giving that issue press when it really should've continued. Everybody moved on to the new big outrage and didn't seem to have the time to dedicate to the issues which remained.

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That's a bit snappy. She had a few moments over BfA and she obviously had no real opportunities to do anything in Shadowlands. We can't simply assume she'll be phased out of relevance altogether.

I imagine she will be, alongside other characters who similarly joined, or was willing to accept Sylvanas' Horde.
Sure Gey'arah and Talanji are decent characters, but with even Sylvanas not being on Sylvanas' side it's hard to have a character who openly accepted her.

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Reposting a suggestion from the lore forums, but what if "Avaloren" is an ancient name for the top part of the Eastern Kingdoms that feature Tyr's fall, the original light worshippers (heretics) etc?

This could play into the idea of an "EK revamp" expansion if they update that part by itself and call it Avaloren.

The EK starting at Arathi is TECHNICALLY its own continent, just bridged over...

Sure why not. Already kinda weird that all the important installations somehow survived the Sundering to begin with.
One would assume that given the massive amount of land that disappeared you would have had several Titan installations being stuck somewhere at the bottom of the ocean by now.

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Actually, in thinking about Avaloren I feel a good choice for location is Gilneas, or somewhere in that general area. Maybe in the large inland sea separating the two halves of EK.
One would have to assume Tyr was going somewhere when escaping Loken.

If Gilneas will be retaken at some point then having a titan installation there could tie it all together nicely.

[Jaggler]

Sure why not. Already kinda weird that all the important installations somehow survived the Sundering to begin with.
One would assume that given the massive amount of land that disappeared you would have had several Titan installations being stuck somewhere at the bottom of the ocean by now.

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Actually, in thinking about Avaloren I feel a good choice for location is Gilneas, or somewhere in that general area. Maybe in the large inland sea separating the two halves of EK.
One would have to assume Tyr was going somewhere when escaping Loken.

If Gilneas will be retaken at some point then having a titan installation there could tie it all together nicely.

Avaloren isn't a titan facility though.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

If I quit a job for ethic issues (I did) and those issues were still very much on going I wouldn’t go back even for more money.

It’s understandable that some people don’t care as much about the ethic issues as they do about there own pay day but it would be nice if they atleast didn’t pretend like they do care.

I guess I was under the impression that he moved on because the game was shit (content delays etc) but I was hardly a big consumer of content so many that's not the case

[Sondrelk]

Avaloren isn't a titan facility though.

It isn't?
Guess i am woefully lacking in knowing lore developments.

Care to fill me in on what it's mentioned to be?

[Jaggler]

It isn't?
Guess i am woefully lacking in knowing lore developments.

Care to fill me in on what it's mentioned to be?

Well, from the name alone it can't be a titan facility, orelse it'd be called Uld-something.

We don't know a lot about it.Just that the Keepers tried to reach it multiple times and failed.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Admittedly, the same goes for much of the playerbase. It did seem like people decided to stop giving that issue press when it really should've continued. Everybody moved on to the new big outrage and didn't seem to have the time to dedicate to the issues which remained.

Its more a symptom(At least from my side of the world) of capitalistic perceptions and well we should only rail when we hear more crony behavior going on in the workplace not do it when things are "calm" cause not everyone there is afriascreeperlord(You all know who I mean here). Companies aren't a hivemind. Having said that, you don't have to trust Preach at all, his outrage from way back is probably sells better on YT then well sticking to whatever morality you have on you(If any at all).