Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Valysar]

I imagine the Horde will be getting Undercity as a hub again at some point. So whatever new hub the Alliance gets for the Night Elves it has to be accessible by low level players. Otherwise there would be an imbalance.

Perfect timing to bring back Gilneas

[Xilurm]

Perfect timing to bring back Gilneas

I don't think the Gilneans would appreciate a massive world tree being planted in their capital.

Also, that would mean 3 Alliance cities in EK but only 2 Horde ones.

[Cheezits]

Danuser's comments on Gilneas are probably the most decisive thing. Plans might change but it really does seem like they will do a reclamation of Gilneas thing, and we know it's not the heritage quest (as that wasn't what happened).

If they want to do Gilneas, what else will happen? And what would the Horde equivalent be? Most importantly... what would the context be?

[Nymrohd]

The subtext of the seed cutscene is 100% "the Night Elves go into the seed to make a new tree" even if it's not stated, and it's coupled with the Forsaken getting their entire old city back instead of creating a new one.

It would be insane if it's not going to be a new tree that looks incredibly similar to Teldrassil (albeit with some Ardenweald things in it, probably sprites and the blue ghosts).

The Night Elves could get something better than a tree imo. They could get the apex of Mt Hyjal with Nordrassil as their capital.

[Cheezits]

The Night Elves could get something better than a tree imo. They could get the apex of Mt Hyjal with Nordrassil as their capital.

I was for Hyjal/Nordrassil but after the Undercity got reclaimed I can't see the Nelves getting anything more than Teldrassil 2.

[Xilurm]

I was for Hyjal/Nordrassil but after the Undercity got reclaimed I can't see the Nelves getting anything more than Teldrassil 2.

So a tree in the same place as the old one?

[Raetary]

So a tree in the same place as the old one?

Exactly.

Just this time, it hopefully will look like an actual tree.

[Xilurm]

Exactly.

Just this time, it hopefully will look like an actual tree.

That would be nice. Like nothing's changed. I just don't really see them doing that for some reason though. For example, why even take the seed to the Dragon Isles in the first place?

[Sondrelk]

I don't think the Gilneans would appreciate a massive world tree being planted in their capital.

Also, that would mean 3 Alliance cities in EK but only 2 Horde ones.

Just plant it somewhere closer to the coast. Cataclysm zones had tons of dead space.
Then you have a new starting area for both Nelves and Worgen inside Gilneas.

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That would be nice. Like nothing's changed. I just don't really see them doing that for some reason though. For example, why even take the seed to the Dragon Isles in the first place?

Emerald Dream connection to Ysera most likely.

[Gorsameth]

Unfortunately, just based on "what is the most obvious thing that Blizzard is telegraphing" the "world tree" is probably Avaloren.

Why it's invisible IDK (2x invisible force field? it's Atlantis?) but I think that Avaloren will appear in Dragonflight and not in the future.

I'm also a strict advocate against the Night Elf tree being on another continent "cus da Greens like them" as it sets dangerous precedent for how disconnected the races of Azeroth might be in the future/pretty much destroys hopes for an EK/Kalimdor revamp (northrend/pandaria is never happening imo).

considering the previous EK/Kalimdor revamp is arguably the single most hated thing in WoW, why on earth do you think they would make the colossal mistake of repeating it?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

considering the previous EK/Kalimdor revamp is arguably the single most hated thing in WoW, why on earth do you think they would make the colossal mistake of repeating it?

The single most hated thing in WoW. That....is just not true. People hated Artifact Power far more.

[Makabreska]

considering the previous EK/Kalimdor revamp is arguably the single most hated thing in WoW, why on earth do you think they would make the colossal mistake of repeating it?

Uhhhh, what? Cata revamp as most hated thing in WoW? Please.

[huth]

Uhhhh, what? Cata revamp as most hated thing in WoW? Please.

That's probably quite a bit of a stretch. It was, however, most definitely a major resource cost that ultimately wasn't worth the effort for the developers, so i still doubt they'd ever do it again.

[Makabreska]

That's probably quite a bit of a stretch. It was, however, most definitely a major resource cost that ultimately wasn't worth the effort for the developers, so i still doubt they'd ever do it again.

I mean, they turned highly obsolete (or even dead) zones into a great question experience (Azshara, Westfall, Darkshore). Sure, it is not endgame, but considering how many times I leveled through them since Cata, I say it was worth it. But ye, the gameplay improvement was done, so now they would mainly improve visuals and updated the story. Not worth it.

[Nymrohd]

That's probably quite a bit of a stretch. It was, however, most definitely a major resource cost that ultimately wasn't worth the effort for the developers, so i still doubt they'd ever do it again.

Honestly if they did a revamp without figuring a way to make it evergreen content or just using those zones for a new xpac, that'd be moronic.

[huth]

I mean, they turned highly obsolete (or even dead) zones into a great question experience (Azshara, Westfall, Darkshore). Sure, it is not endgame, but considering how many times I leveled through them since Cata, I say it was worth it. But ye, the gameplay improvement was done, so now they would mainly improve visuals and updated the story. Not worth it.

That quickly became obsolete and dead again, so nothing of note was achieved there. Mind, not worth it doesn't mean they didn't get anything out of it; it means they didn't enough out of it to justify the investment.

[Makabreska]

That quickly became obsolete and dead again, so nothing of note was achieved there. Mind, not worth it doesn't mean they didn't get anything out of it; it means they didn't enough out of it to justify the investment.

The leveling experience did not become obsolete. The fact that Azshara (and many other places) was transformed from no quest zone into a full leveling zone was not meaningless. Across both Vanilla continents quest chains got streamlined, auto complete got implemented, we got more choices in where to level up. To this day I see plenty of players leveling in old zones, when logically thinking they should rather go to BfA/SL. Dead and obsolete my ass. Don't look at Cata revamp only in the context of story.

[Cheezits]

That would be nice. Like nothing's changed. I just don't really see them doing that for some reason though. For example, why even take the seed to the Dragon Isles in the first place?

The world tree seeds are SUPPOSED to be blessed by each Aspect, but because Fandral cheated/was corrupt he skipped that, leading to the tree being corrupted itself. So Tyrande is following the old ways.

Why she didn't do it during the timeskip is up in the air.

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That's probably quite a bit of a stretch. It was, however, most definitely a major resource cost that ultimately wasn't worth the effort for the developers, so i still doubt they'd ever do it again.

The revamp wasn't worth it because they did the whole thing in the stretch of one expansion development cycle. As we have seen since WoD, old models have been revamped and retouched, and in BFA we saw that they can simply retexture and recontextualize existing zones with some new buildings. I think that we have a handful of old models that still need to be updated (cows) but other than that? What is left? They just did the Alliance/Horde airships and one of them isn't even used. Same with the Nelf and Belf ships. They are absolutely building towards some use of all these redone models.

[Varodoc]

Danuser's comments on Gilneas are probably the most decisive thing. Plans might change but it really does seem like they will do a reclamation of Gilneas thing, and we know it's not the heritage quest (as that wasn't what happened).

If they want to do Gilneas, what else will happen? And what would the Horde equivalent be? Most importantly... what would the context be?

The Horde equivalent of a restored Gilneas is the Bilgewater city in Azshara, which they have had since Cataclysm.

While the Gilneans were living as refugees in Darnassus and Greymane was Varian's butler, the Bilgewater goblins had built a new city in Azshara and practically took over the entire region.

The Worgen and Goblin were introduced in the same expansion so they are juxtaposed. It just so happens that the Horde race had a whole new city and a new zone they took over, while the Worgen were just refugees in the Night elf capital.

The Night elf capital was also destroyed btw, so the Gilneans were evicted twice from their home; meanwhile, the Bilgewater city in Azshara still stands.

[Xilurm]

The world tree seeds are SUPPOSED to be blessed by each Aspect, but because Fandral cheated/was corrupt he skipped that, leading to the tree being corrupted itself. So Tyrande is following the old ways.

Why she didn't do it during the timeskip is up in the air.

It would be nice if they got their immortality back.