1. #69721
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    There is nothing relatable about an immortal whining about the consequences of immortality. But having spent most of your immortality with someone you love and knowing they will be taken from you seems more understandable to me.
    It's not really an immortal getting salty he is immortal though. Nozdormu would likely learn something or other that convinces him that the Titans plan is bogus, spurring him to attempt subverting it, likely dragging other dragons along with him who also think the Titans are not as great as they might have seemed.

    Honestly, something as simple as learning the truth about Galakrond as a Titan experiment could set him off.
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  2. #69722
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But Argus is not the unmaker. He was MADE the unmaker in a deeply unnatural way. There is nothing telling us that the Titans had specific aspects naturally. Perhaps they visited Zereth Ordos and each gained a specific insight into a facet of the cosmos. Perhaps they are just cosmically powerful creatures and each of them had a preference for some type of magic and studied something more extensively than the rest.
    Schroedinger's titan

  3. #69723
    Quote Originally Posted by Forum Man View Post
    We are told the void wants that
    We were also told that the Titans created everything

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    Moruzond wants to allow galakrond to succeed so we go to stop him in the past
    We succeed and Moruzond goes into the future of the hour of twilight
    I really hope Blizzard remembers that we are supposed to kill Murozond in the End Time dungeon.
    I don't care that it's several years old, from a patch that players generally disliked. It's too perfect a storytelling beat to have us send Murozond almost literally into our own past to be killed.
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  4. #69724
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It's not really an immortal getting salty he is immortal though. Nozdormu would likely learn something or other that convinces him that the Titans plan is bogus, spurring him to attempt subverting it, likely dragging other dragons along with him who also think the Titans are not as great as they might have seemed.

    Honestly, something as simple as learning the truth about Galakrond as a Titan experiment could set him off.
    But Galakrond was not a Titan Experiment. He was the unintended consequence of a titan experimented corrupted by the Old Gods.

    Also shouldn't Nozdormu already know this? I mean isn't that what his power does?

  5. #69725
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    The first short happens next week!

    Sooner than i expected.
    Make sense to fill first 3 weeks with shorts. I think SL were same way, of course whole plan went to shit when they had to delay whole thing.

  6. #69726
    I'm so glad they changed his voice actor. He sounded like a 90 year old grandma in cata

  7. #69727
    They didn't clarified if XP boost last until 25th October or 15th November, right? Because - if 18th WoW anniversary will be moved as well, which is very likely - we could have few days 50% + 18% + 10% (darkmoon) stacked on top of already announced nerf to 50-60 levels.

  8. #69728
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    They didn't clarified if XP boost last until 25th October or 15th November, right? Because - if 18th WoW anniversary will be moved as well, which is very likely - we could have few days 50% + 18% + 10% (darkmoon) stacked on top of already announced nerf to 50-60 levels.
    They said till 15th in their bluepost few days ago.

  9. #69729
    They were pretty clear that the xp buff would stay until Dracthyr become available (at which point they want people to stop leveling alts and level WoW-Argonians).

  10. #69730
    If they kept Shadowlands threads of fate without nerfing it like WoD bonus objectives in 9.0 then wow, it will be fast.

  11. #69731
    I just watched Bellular's new video about QoL features in this expansion. What a list. The raid loot design and the return of Need/Greed but actually properly restricting things (like hunters taking resto shaman items) is huge. The World Quest Changes are huge. So much effort seems to be going into making DF something that isn't a pain in the ass to play. I really hope that energy carries forward.

  12. #69732
    Quote Originally Posted by Paula Deen View Post
    I just watched Bellular's new video about QoL features in this expansion. What a list. The raid loot design and the return of Need/Greed but actually properly restricting things (like hunters taking resto shaman items) is huge. The World Quest Changes are huge. So much effort seems to be going into making DF something that isn't a pain in the ass to play. I really hope that energy carries forward.
    ..and watch same Bellurar switching to doomsaying again in 6 months after people who resub next month will leave again. Shadowlands had list like that as well, hell QoL changes from 8.3 to 9.0 could be even bigger, for me DF sounds more like finishing job from 9.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    ..and watch same Bellurar switching to doomsaying again in 6 months after people who resub next month will leave again. Shadowlands had list like that as well, hell QoL changes from 8.3 to 9.0 could be even bigger, for me DF sounds more like finishing job from 9.0.
    I actually think that Bellular has always been pretty positive regarding the game, even when the game was a mess, he did criticize it but not in Doomsaying mode. At the end of the day, I guess that an important part of his income comes from his YouTube channels, so WoW doing well is good for him.
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  14. #69734
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Except the new information we got from Tyr's correspondence says the Titan's bodies are made at Zereth Ordos. Just like the Eternal's bodies were made at Zereth Mortis. There is a world soul inside them. So contrary to what it seemed, Azeroth one day turning into a titan isn't something that just happens. This makes the war over Azeroth's soul seem drastically more self-interested.

    Honestly I hope they go with:

    The First Ones are the Pantheon of Life; they build the Zareths to make just the Titans & Eternals, so that life & death would have order. Naaru & Void Lords are naturally occurring creatures. The Seventh Force is "the Dark One" an anti-life entity that travels the multiverse.

    It's much more nuanced than:

    There's Giant Robots that come in 6 different flavors & they're all playing an intergalactic game of Risk.
    That would be stupid. The First Ones feel far above everything we've seen in WoW, and it is implied there are Zereths for Light and Void too.

    Zereth Lumen and Zereth Umbra.

  15. #69735
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Except the new information we got from Tyr's correspondence says the Titan's bodies are made at Zereth Ordos. Just like the Eternal's bodies were made at Zereth Mortis. There is a world soul inside them. So contrary to what it seemed, Azeroth one day turning into a titan isn't something that just happens. This makes the war over Azeroth's soul seem drastically more self-interested.

    Honestly I hope they go with:

    The First Ones are the Pantheon of Life; they build the Zareths to make just the Titans & Eternals, so that life & death would have order. Naaru & Void Lords are naturally occurring creatures. The Seventh Force is "the Dark One" an anti-life entity that travels the multiverse.

    It's much more nuanced than:

    There's Giant Robots that come in 6 different flavors & they're all playing an intergalactic game of Risk.
    Grand, except for us seeing a literal nascent titan taking form just before fighting us.
    Tyr is either outright wrong or the bit about Zereth Ordus is misinterpreted.

    Of course everything can be retconned, but let's wait until content goes live before we assume random correspondence of Tyr's to accurately contradict what we were shown, not told, in the game.

    To add on the latter bit of the first: I did read something about titans being blessed in Zereth Ordus, which may apply to pretty much every properly born titan. But that's quite different from the pantheon of death.
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  16. #69736
    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    “Legacies” already looks much cooler than the last 3 expansion’s animated shorts.
    Indeed!

    I'm hyped for this one. Dragon lore is scattered all over the place, it'll be good to watch an animated recap of the most important stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Well from the ''Legacies'' trailer I get some Nozdormu / Murozond final boss vibes.
    It's kinda funny that following the announcement all the talk was about Alexstraza and Wrathion, but now after Beta/ads, all the lights are on Nozdormu.

    With that said, I'm not sure if he'll end up dead/mad, or if we're going to face an alternative version of him again, but I'm sure he's going to be the major guy in this expansion, the other Dragons are here just for context.

  17. #69737
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I really hope Blizzard remembers that we are supposed to kill Murozond in the End Time dungeon.
    I don't care that it's several years old, from a patch that players generally disliked. It's too perfect a storytelling beat to have us send Murozond almost literally into our own past to be killed.
    Remember when we had ourselves from the future come and help? It'll be cool to go back and be the guy from the future. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    Grand, except for us seeing a literal nascent titan taking form just before fighting us.
    Tyr is either outright wrong or the bit about Zereth Ordus is misinterpreted.

    Of course everything can be retconned, but let's wait until content goes live before we assume random correspondence of Tyr's to accurately contradict what we were shown, not told, in the game.

    To add on the latter bit of the first: I did read something about titans being blessed in Zereth Ordus, which may apply to pretty much every properly born titan. But that's quite different from the pantheon of death.
    That and its possible Odyn may not necessarily tell the truth either.
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  19. #69739
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    That and its possible Odyn may not necessarily tell the truth either.
    Yep, Odyn's not the least likely liar.
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  20. #69740
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I suppose we could fight Chromatus as one of the fights but not the main boss, if only because there's still, as far as I'm aware anyway, zero mention of them in game.

    Galakrond or Nozdormu/Murozond are the best bets for last boss, and I'm leaning toward the latter particularly.
    it's going to be turalyon
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