Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Luck4]

So the same quests but the zones/textures looking different?
Wouldn't a world revamp be wasted resources if they didn't figure out how to make sure players both old and new experience these zones?

The only way the World Revamp will work is if it's treated like any other expansion but bigger, because of the sheer size of EK/Kalimdor, and by that I mean all the high-level content such as Raids/Dungeons/World Content like World Quests/Invasions/Dailies placed in EK/Kalimdor.

Forget Cataclysm's leveling revamp, this time the revamped EK/Kalimdor needs to be where everything happens, the real deal, like in Vanilla.

Cataclysm concentrated the endgame in the scattered newer zones (Vashj'ir, Mount Hyjal, Twilight Highlands, Deepholm, and Uldum) and didn't make much use, other than leveling, of EK/Kalimdor revamped zones. It's also important to note that back in Cataclysm we hadn't World Bosses/World Quests/Invasion Events/Quest Scenarios/Treasure and Rare hunting activities as we do today to make use of the revamped world.

[Ersula]

So the same quests but the zones/textures looking different?

Cataclysm Kalimdor & 11.0 Kalimdor would be two completely different set of zones. Etc. If they had to do it again they definitely wouldn't have actually removed the pre-Cataclysm versions of zones. "We mistakenly thought we'd never miss this" is best summed up them having to salvage for the original vanilla server blades when they were building Classic.

[Xilurm]

Also Housing CAN be possible, but yeah the engine kinda fucks with a lot there.

But.. Garrisons...

[Xilurm]

How is the A Plot of Dragonflight Garbage? Shit is simple asf.

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That's not really "housing" outside of the Building tiers. You don't live in it, it's not personal, you cannot decorate your house. Garrisons aren't it.

It could work if they make decorating a "fixed" thing. As in you can only put certain furniture in certain places and can't move them around.

[Nymrohd]

It could work if they make decorating a "fixed" thing. As in you can only put certain furniture in certain places and can't move them around.

Yeah I think the only way housing would ever work in WoW would be Garrison-like phased pre-build spaces with item hooks for item placement. This is extremely limiting ofc.

[Reive]

This engine has reached its limit. Everything from implementing new features to simple bugfixing has become too problematic. They should have started making a new one 1-2 expansions ago. I can get why they haven't done it yet because that would be a lot of money to invest for an old game in a niche genre. It's easier to make 10 mobile games and get better revenue from them.

[micwini]

Thank god the short login screen music was just placeholder!

[Beefhammer]

Thank god the short login screen music was just placeholder!

Proving once again MMO-champion is just full of the sky is falling chicken littles that do not understand how to be patient.

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How often are we going to, all of a sudden, find and explore mysteriously hidden islands? Happened three times now (Pandaria, Broken Isles, Dragon Isles) - the trope is overused already.

We didn't all of a sudden happen to find them as if they were missed on the map. Pandaria was shrouded in mists. Dragon Isles were hidden by the Dragonflight. Broken Isles and Zandalar were already known and discovered, we had no reason to go there previously.

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This engine has reached its limit. Everything from implementing new features to simple bugfixing has become too problematic. They should have started making a new one 1-2 expansions ago. I can get why they haven't done it yet because that would be a lot of money to invest for an old game in a niche genre. It's easier to make 10 mobile games and get better revenue from them.

The engine gets updated every expansion and works fine for what they are doing. The cost to make a new one then port or remake the game into the new one is way too resource prohibitive.

[Reive]

The engine gets updated every expansion and works fine for what they are doing. The cost to make a new one then port or remake the game into the new one is way too resource prohibitive.

It doesn't work fine if what ion said about player housing is true. They cannot implement certain features because the engine doesn't allow it. And we're not talking about rocket science, but things other games already have.

You're right on the cost and i think that's the only reason they're still milking the old engine.

[Beefhammer]

[B]

It doesn't work fine if what ion said about player housing is true. They cannot implement certain feature because the engine doesn't allow it. And we're not talking about rocket science, but features other games already have.

You're right on the cost and i think that's the only reason they're still milking the old engine.

I did say for what they are doing. They werea ble to figure out the main backpack issue and other issues, Garrisons show they have a the basics for housing if they wanted to do it, it is just a matter of time before they find a fix.

[Nymrohd]

This engine has reached its limit. Everything from implementing new features to simple bugfixing has become too problematic. They should have started making a new one 1-2 expansions ago. I can get why they haven't done it yet because that would be a lot of money to invest for an old game in a niche genre. It's easier to make 10 mobile games and get better revenue from them.

I don't think it is realistic to suggest a new engine this late in the game. It would be impossible to port the existing game in a new engine, they'd probably have to redo so much from scratch. Better make a new game at that point.

[Lahis]

I don't think it is realistic to suggest a new engine this late in the game. It would be impossible to port the existing game in a new engine, they'd probably have to redo so much from scratch. Better make a new game at that point.

And everyone knows there will never be new game so some features like housing is forever off the table.

[Reive]

I did say for what they are doing. They werea ble to figure out the main backpack issue and other issues, Garrisons show they have a the basics for housing if they wanted to do it, it is just a matter of time before they find a fix.

You can work on it as much as you want but the engine can only go so far. You will never have a fully free housing system. It will always be something clunkier than what people expect it to be, like having fixed spots for the items etc. They do a good job in finding ways to make something work and that's true, but you can clearly see the how limited they are.

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I don't think it is realistic to suggest a new engine this late in the game. It would be impossible to port the existing game in a new engine, they'd probably have to redo so much from scratch. Better make a new game at that point.

Oh i know that. A new engine is what the game needs, but i know the chances to of it happening are almost 0. People should just accept it and move on.

[Sondrelk]

And everyone knows there will never be new game so some features like housing is forever off the table.

Didnt Ion mention housing in some interview where he talked about Dragonflight not being the right time for housing? Or did I just imagine him saying something to that effect?
I know that I argued that housing would only really work if it was coupled with a world revamp, or otherwise some expansion with heavy emphasis on Stormwind and Orgrimmar, but I feel like Ion vaguely said something in that direction as well.

I don't think the issue with housing is that it's impossible to have in WoW. Just that it would be excessively difficult to implement in any way that satisfies those that are used to stuff like Wildstar or similar.
The amount of effort that would be required just for the basic stuff like asset placement would be immense, and I doubt they would do all of that in one go.

[Nymrohd]

And everyone knows there will never be new game so some features like housing is forever off the table.

I guess you could still have some very limited housing but then one would wonder what the point is. Pre build, pre decorated, very limited item hooks (things like how the archeology pristine relics phase in from existing doodads or how the Tier sets show up in the Class Halls).

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Didnt Ion mention housing in some interview where he talked about Dragonflight not being the right time for housing? Or did I just imagine him saying something to that effect?
I know that I argued that housing would only really work if it was coupled with a world revamp, or otherwise some expansion with heavy emphasis on Stormwind and Orgrimmar, but I feel like Ion vaguely said something in that direction as well.

I think someone said they completely ruled housing off on Preach's interviews because of engine limitations. Which obviously sucks.

[Reive]

Didnt Ion mention housing in some interview where he talked about Dragonflight not being the right time for housing? Or did I just imagine him saying something to that effect?
I know that I argued that housing would only really work if it was coupled with a world revamp, or otherwise some expansion with heavy emphasis on Stormwind and Orgrimmar, but I feel like Ion vaguely said something in that direction as well.

I don't think the issue with housing is that it's impossible to have in WoW. Just that it would be excessively difficult to implement in any way that satisfies those that are used to stuff like Wildstar or similar.
The amount of effort that would be required just for the basic stuff like asset placement would be immense, and I doubt they would do all of that in one go.

Preach said on stream yday that he talked with ion about player housing and he basically said that the current engine wouldn't support it. So, to have player housing you'll need to have a new engine.

[Nymrohd]

Preach said on stream yday that he talked with ion about player housing and he basically said that the current engine wouldn't support it. So, to have player housing you'll need to have a new engine.

Or a new game. Azeroth Real Estate! Selling Azeroth?

[Reive]

Or a new game. Azeroth Real Estate! Selling Azeroth?

A new warcraft mmo would be amazing, but they don't really have a reason to develop it. Wow is 18 years old and is still the top (second top, depending on what you believe) of its genre. They have no reason to push for another mmo especially considering the cost. Maybe things will change once the riot mmo is out.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yes boiiiii, there's a long version!

So happy there is a long version indeed!

[Sondrelk]

So happy there is a long version indeed!

Love the bit with the violin. Going to assume that is the music for the Azure Span, to really make it sound similar to Grizzly Hills and Howling Fjords.