1. #69821
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Bellular made an interesting video a while ago about a possible World Revamp.
    #TeamWorldRevamp getting traction!
    Clickbaits gonna clickbait.
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  2. #69822
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The Dragon Isles is a concept from WoW Alpha, so not really out of thin air.
    Only the name. There was nothing of substance behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8bithamster View Post
    Yea again.. Please no. Even a remake of wod would be better than that.
    I’m willing to bet you’re in a small minority with that viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    That’s not specifically Arthurian, though. Though some tropes may originate in Arthurian legend, they’ve become so generalized that you can hardly call them an homage.
    I mean, he is literally called Arthas. Doesn't get much more obvious he is partially inspired by Arthur.

    And yes, Arthurian legend is very much referenced constantly, but the idea is quite clearly a dark reverse take, where the golden prince of a prosperous kingdom leads it to ruin, rather than a commoner leading his fallow kingdom to glory.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  5. #69825
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Hm? What's up?
    they are saying turalyon is the last boss of DF in this thread

  6. #69826
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    Bellular made an interesting video a while ago about a possible World Revamp.

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    #TeamWorldRevamp getting traction!
    Are you just going to repeat this nonsense until you either get it right purely by accident or the game closes down? Randomly guessing whether a world revamp happens next expansion has a better track record than your "team" already.

  7. #69827
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Only the name. There was nothing of substance behind it.
    While true, it's also true that the concept of a dragon themed place called the Dragon Isles is something that the players have known about.
    Avaloren meanwhile has not ever been mentioned before, so players have not gotten any idea what it could contain, nor any reason to get a connection to it.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  8. #69828
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I’m willing to bet you’re in a small minority with that viewpoint.
    Oh really? You were the one advocating for an Yrel returns WoD like expansion. What made you change your mind?

    Also please provide any form of statistical evidence.

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    I'm not a huge Tinker fan but I'd rather have Goblords of Undermine than anything related to WoD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8bithamster View Post
    Oh really? You were the one advocating for an Yrel returns WoD like expansion. What made you change your mind?

    Also please provide any form of statistical evidence.
    Except that wouldn’t be a WoD-style expansion. It would be Arokkoa and Ogres fleeing Yrel’s army and joining the alliance and horde and warning of Yrel’s eventual arrival. Yrel would then invade Azeroth, since AU Draenor would be a dead/dying world at that point. We’d be fighting her and her army here, not on AU Draenor.

    After that, bring on Undermine.

  11. #69831
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Those updated old world assets like the buildings and towers is the biggest hint I think. They are codenamed "frontier" in the files and there are some WIP pieces like Horde gates. And as we've seen in DI they aren't relevant to the DI continent.

    Frontier COULD be a "build your own area" type thing though.
    Or it connects to some kind of new location. Not sure. It seems like it's building up to something, but I can't tell if it's going to just be a particular area or feature internally called "Frontier" in DF (it's pretty easy to see how that could come about, given that the Dragon Isles are certainly a frontier, and any patch zones we may go to even moreso) or if it will be an actual world revamp. I'm on full copium, though, even though I made the wrong call about this both pre-SL and pre-DF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Are you just going to repeat this nonsense until you either get it right purely by accident or the game closes down? Randomly guessing whether a world revamp happens next expansion has a better track record than your "team" already.
    You seem to be overreacting to what everybody is aware is copium. None of us unironically expect it, we're just fantasizing. The Bellular video was a tad bit presumptuous and posting it strikes me as unnecessary, but this is something everybody wants to fantasize about because we'd prefer not to get back on Danny's wild ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8bithamster View Post
    Much rather see some stuff from other planes. So much things they can do with that.
    Ugh, anything but that. We've seen the current team's take on cosmology. I like high-concept stuff, but it only works in the right hands. It was done very well in Legion, but Shadowlands sort of soured it for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    they are saying turalyon is the last boss of DF in this thread
    lol /10chars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I mean, he is literally called Arthas. Doesn't get much more obvious he is partially inspired by Arthur.

    And yes, Arthurian legend is very much referenced constantly, but the idea is quite clearly a dark reverse take, where the golden prince of a prosperous kingdom leads it to ruin, rather than a commoner leading his fallow kingdom to glory.
    It's definitely difficult to overlook the Arthurian parody in Arthas. He's also very much Elric of Melnibone, but the Arthurian element is quite central to the whole bait-and-switch back in Warcraft III.

  12. #69832
    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    they are saying turalyon is the last boss of DF in this thread
    Lol wtf? That's stupid.

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    It's like when people called Odyn the final boss of SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Lol wtf? That's stupid.

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    It's like when people called Odyn the final boss of SL.
    Odyn as the final boss of SL is silly. Now that they are revisiting the concept that he is a big asshole, a little more publicly than his backstory with Helya, I think its possible that he will be A boss sometime down the road. There isn't an Order/Titan character more suited to be a villain other than the constellars, who are just doing their jobs, and Sargeras who doesn't count.

    The recent lore book doubles down on his arrogance and I kind of think its building up to some kind of reveal that he wants the Titan's glory all for himself.

  14. #69834
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    It's like when people called Odyn the final boss of SL.
    That's not a burn considering we now have a massive Odyn villainry dump for Dragonflight.

    It's not so much we're expecting Turalyon villain arc, besides that its what WoW does, its that we're expecting an evil Light arc & he's the character with the strongest association to the Light. And frankly, not much characterization otherwise.

  15. #69835
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Lol wtf? That's stupid.
    Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

    I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.

  16. #69836
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

    I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.
    Then make that plot apply to them...after Dragonflight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

    I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.
    No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

    I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.
    It's actually looking good. This time with the Dracthyr, the Alliance has the more measured and interesting reaction ("we don't trust them 100% also visage seems shifty we should expose that") while Horde has the "lol k whatever" response. In the past it has been the opposite.

    They are going to use Turalyon to give the Alliance some character while Horde chills out for a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.
    Already happening as of the Dragonflight intro, considering Shaw and Turalyon's realistic reactions to the Dracthyr.

  19. #69839
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    It's actually looking good. This time with the Dracthyr, the Alliance has the more measured and interesting reaction ("we don't trust them 100% also visage seems shifty we should expose that") while Horde has the "lol k whatever" response. In the past it has been the opposite.

    They are going to use Turalyon to give the Alliance some character while Horde chills out for a bit.

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    Already happening as of the Dragonflight intro, considering Shaw and Turalyon's realistic reactions to the Dracthyr.
    I wouldn't say it's dark really. More realistic for sure, but it's not like they are considering initiating pogroms and sending the Dracthyr to the ghetto. They are told about dragon equivalent beings created by Deathwing, and then start considering that maybe they should consider upping their ability to suss out dragons in disguise, to prevent situations like Sinestra happening again.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  20. #69840
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.
    You're confusing "dark" and "nuanced". "Dark" is if Blizzard went full grimderp and decided the Alliance needs to be the Imperium of Man, Turalyon declared himself dictator forever, and all the Void Elves and whathaveyou were arbitrarily purged or oppressed For the Evulz. "Militaristic and suspicious", "zealous", and "authoritarian" contribute to nuance in measured doses for a benevolent faction. Thus far, the Alliance has been wholly deprived of character. Their strengths are mild, and their moral weaknesses are nonexistent. What I'm calling for is a balance, some element of personality that actually exists among the Alliance beyond "lol good guizzz". This was there in Classic, but gradually faded out and wholly dissipated after Cataclysm or so. Even in Warcraft II, where the Alliance were unequivocally the heroes, they had these traits which provided them with a passing measure of personality.

    Can you actually describe the identity of the Alliance right now? Could you weigh their pros and cons as a faction? Turalyon represents a philosophical shift that can allow them to return to their roots and become a more interesting faction.
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