Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cosmicpreds]

Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.

Then make that plot apply to them...after Dragonflight.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.

No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.

[Cheezits]

Especially since Turalyon has the potential to return some depth to the Alliance. I much prefer the idea of the Alliance taking a permanent darker turn under his long-term leadership than for him to briefly be a problem for the Alliance and then become a loon pinata for not fitting in with the squeaky-clean image that Blizzard needs the Alliance to maintain these days.

I think he's better when characterized as a well-meaning and mostly-benevolent leader, albeit one with a strong militaristic streak and a zealous personality. I think long-term leadership from Turalyon is the best thing the Alliance could hope for in its current iteration if the goal is to develop some marginal personality or identity.

It's actually looking good. This time with the Dracthyr, the Alliance has the more measured and interesting reaction ("we don't trust them 100% also visage seems shifty we should expose that") while Horde has the "lol k whatever" response. In the past it has been the opposite.

They are going to use Turalyon to give the Alliance some character while Horde chills out for a bit.

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No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.

Already happening as of the Dragonflight intro, considering Shaw and Turalyon's realistic reactions to the Dracthyr.

[Sondrelk]

It's actually looking good. This time with the Dracthyr, the Alliance has the more measured and interesting reaction ("we don't trust them 100% also visage seems shifty we should expose that") while Horde has the "lol k whatever" response. In the past it has been the opposite.

They are going to use Turalyon to give the Alliance some character while Horde chills out for a bit.

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Already happening as of the Dragonflight intro, considering Shaw and Turalyon's realistic reactions to the Dracthyr.

I wouldn't say it's dark really. More realistic for sure, but it's not like they are considering initiating pogroms and sending the Dracthyr to the ghetto. They are told about dragon equivalent beings created by Deathwing, and then start considering that maybe they should consider upping their ability to suss out dragons in disguise, to prevent situations like Sinestra happening again.

[Le Conceptuel]

No to all of that. The Alliance doesn't need to go dark, stop it.

You're confusing "dark" and "nuanced". "Dark" is if Blizzard went full grimderp and decided the Alliance needs to be the Imperium of Man, Turalyon declared himself dictator forever, and all the Void Elves and whathaveyou were arbitrarily purged or oppressed For the Evulz. "Militaristic and suspicious", "zealous", and "authoritarian" contribute to nuance in measured doses for a benevolent faction. Thus far, the Alliance has been wholly deprived of character. Their strengths are mild, and their moral weaknesses are nonexistent. What I'm calling for is a balance, some element of personality that actually exists among the Alliance beyond "lol good guizzz". This was there in Classic, but gradually faded out and wholly dissipated after Cataclysm or so. Even in Warcraft II, where the Alliance were unequivocally the heroes, they had these traits which provided them with a passing measure of personality.

Can you actually describe the identity of the Alliance right now? Could you weigh their pros and cons as a faction? Turalyon represents a philosophical shift that can allow them to return to their roots and become a more interesting faction.

[Makabreska]

Already happening as of the Dragonflight intro, considering Shaw and Turalyon's realistic reactions to the Dracthyr.

These realistic reaction, as you named them, have nothing to do with going dark.

[Le Conceptuel]

It's actually looking good. This time with the Dracthyr, the Alliance has the more measured and interesting reaction ("we don't trust them 100% also visage seems shifty we should expose that") while Horde has the "lol k whatever" response. In the past it has been the opposite.

They are going to use Turalyon to give the Alliance some character while Horde chills out for a bit.

I wouldn't say it's dark really. More realistic for sure, but it's not like they are considering initiating pogroms and sending the Dracthyr to the ghetto. They are told about dragon equivalent beings created by Deathwing, and then start considering that maybe they should consider upping their ability to suss out dragons in disguise, to prevent situations like Sinestra happening again.

Both of these sentiments are not dissimilar to mine. It feels like the Alliance is getting some character finally—Turalyon is, as you say, Cheezits, measured. As as you say, Sondrelk, he's not instituting pogroms or acting in a manner which is irrational. He is simply acting more suspicious, as is the rest of the Alliance. In my mind, this is suitable, a foreshadowing of a return to the faction characterization of the Warcraft III-era Alliance and Horde—one a faction of order and stability, which is on one hand civilized, ethical, spiritual and measured yet which is also sometimes xenophobic, fanatical, or suspicious, and the other a faction of brotherhood and unity, which is on one hand harsh, uncivilized, and emotional yet which is also accepting, unified, and more free-spirited than their civilized counterparts. This is a return to erstwhile balance. And balance is a good thing—both factions should embrace their pros and cons in full, and this is what I think the new leadership for both could allow them to do. Perhaps the Horde is a tad softer than I'd like, but they're definitely not too far off from the Warcraft III incarnations.

[huth]

You seem to be overreacting to what everybody is aware is copium. None of us unironically expect it, we're just fantasizing. The Bellular video was a tad bit presumptuous and posting it strikes me as unnecessary, but this is something everybody wants to fantasize about because we'd prefer not to get back on Danny's wild ride.

You keep saying things that make me wonder if you've never been on the internet before. No, there's most definitely people that are fully serious about it. Besides, that's not a good reason to hang on to a lost hope to begin with and quite a bit of unwarranted aggressiveness on your side as well.

[Le Conceptuel]

You keep saying things that make me wonder if you've never been on the internet before. No, there's most definitely people that are fully serious about it. Besides, that's not a good reason to hang on to a lost hope to begin with and quite a bit of unwarranted aggressiveness on your side as well.

I'd be inclined to say you were the one who engaged with rather unwarranted aggressiveness, given you responded to a fairly milquetoast introduction to the topic with a fairly condescending and emotional response. Cool down, buddy.

[Khaza-R]

Anyone think its possible we might see the return of an uncorrupted Neltharion?

He seems heavily depicted in the animated shorts which makes me think he has to be relevant in the expansion one way or another. Addressing his corruption as something pivotal to the Old Gods plans could also bridge into a wider Void plot line in the future. Then of course there's the leader of the Black Dragonflight not really being decided. Maybe they just threw the Wrathion vs Sabellian story as a red herring for daddy to come back.

[Sondrelk]

Anyone think its possible we might see the return of an uncorrupted Neltharion?

He seems heavily depicted in the animated shorts which makes me think he has to be relevant in the expansion one way or another. Addressing his corruption as something pivotal to the Old Gods plans could also bridge into a wider Void plot line in the future. Then of course there's the leader of the Black Dragonflight not really being decided. Maybe they just threw the Wrathion vs Sabellian story as a red herring for daddy to come back.

Never considered it, but I could see it being the case if we go further into the time travel shenanigans. Maybe he created the Dracthyr to help us in the future, possibly even with a bootstrap paradox to kinda explain why he couldn't create more of them later.

[Le Conceptuel]

Anyone think its possible we might see the return of an uncorrupted Neltharion?

He seems heavily depicted in the animated shorts which makes me think he has to be relevant in the expansion one way or another. Addressing his corruption as something pivotal to the Old Gods plans could also bridge into a wider Void plot line in the future. Then of course there's the leader of the Black Dragonflight not really being decided. Maybe they just threw the Wrathion vs Sabellian story as a red herring for daddy to come back.

To be fair, it's most likely in the same sense as how Arthas was featured so heavily leading up to Shadowlands—although he was dead, his legacy was extraordinarily recurrent throughout the expansion. The same likely will go for Deathwing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

To be fair, it's most likely in the same sense as how Arthas was featured so heavily leading up to Shadowlands—although he was dead, his legacy was extraordinarily recurrent throughout the expansion. The same likely will go for Deathwing.

Well it would be interesting to see more of Neltharion before his madness. If only to see what kind of a dragon he was.

[FlubberPuddy]

To be fair, it's most likely in the same sense as how Arthas was featured so heavily leading up to Shadowlands—although he was dead, his legacy was extraordinarily recurrent throughout the expansion. The same likely will go for Deathwing.

Was he actually featured heavily? I felt it was more the players themselves who kept saying “they have to bring him back they have to, it’s so obvious!”

A certain non insignificant portion of the community anyway.

I didn’t feel like much of SL content featured him so heavily.

Only moments I can think of was the uther ascension cinematic, then a moment about his soul being put into Kingsmourne, and then ofc the cinematic with his soul.

I can be wrong, I just didn’t feel the vibe that “Arthas is featured heavily in SL”. Neither does my friend who is a huge Arthas fan and one of the ones hoping they’d showcase him/have him play an important part/revive him.

[Kiivar86]

How could he even come back? We practically annihilated him.

I guess time travel what with Murozond and all.

[Forum Man]

Anyone think its possible we might see the return of an uncorrupted Neltharion?

He seems heavily depicted in the animated shorts which makes me think he has to be relevant in the expansion one way or another. Addressing his corruption as something pivotal to the Old Gods plans could also bridge into a wider Void plot line in the future. Then of course there's the leader of the Black Dragonflight not really being decided. Maybe they just threw the Wrathion vs Sabellian story as a red herring for daddy to come back.

We haven't seen anything suggesting he had a back up plan for his death

[Khaza-R]

We haven't seen anything suggesting he had a back up plan for his death

My thought was timey-wimey stuff. Really it seems the only way that Galakrond could make a return as well.

I am sure it would all involve something with the catalyst that causes Nozdormu to be Murozond. Just wild speculation on my part but we had 3 BfA animated shorts. Each one teased the progression of the expansion. I just assuming these might be similar.

[Xilurm]

If the dock that used to have the Boralus ship now has the Dragon Isles ship, where does the ship from Boralus take you?

[Luck4]

Are you just going to repeat this nonsense until you either get it right purely by accident or the game closes down? Randomly guessing whether a world revamp happens next expansion has a better track record than your "team" already.

Calm down bro, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm just passionate about it.

I thought the image at the end was enough to express that these are just my hopes and wishes.

Since WOD every new expansion is supposed to have a World Revamp, but I know this may never happen.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

If the dock that used to have the Boralus ship now has the Dragon Isles ship, where does the ship from Boralus take you?

Apparently both ships come into the same dock on a rotation so you could easily get on and end up going to the wrong zone.