Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

Here is the thing. It took an entire titan facility and significant effort for Tyr to convert the Wellspring into Arcane over Elemental and it still is a fairly unstable process given that the Primalists can reverse it.
WTF then happened to allow for the Well of Eternity to be transmuted from presumably Elemental into Arcane? The Well is the largest wound on Azeroth, bleeding her lifeblood. Would that mean the keepers build a massive facility (at a much larger scale than Uldorus) at the bottom of the well to do this?

[Reive]

Can anyone with the collector post all the lore bits from there?

[Raetary]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...576193/photo/1


Tyrs official look.

[Jaggler]

Here is the thing. It took an entire titan facility and significant effort for Tyr to convert the Wellspring into Arcane over Elemental and it still is a fairly unstable process given that the Primalists can reverse it.
WTF then happened to allow for the Well of Eternity to be transmuted from presumably Elemental into Arcane? The Well is the largest wound on Azeroth, bleeding her lifeblood. Would that mean the keepers build a massive facility (at a much larger scale than Uldorus) at the bottom of the well to do this?

Wasn't it Aman'thul who ripped out Y'sharaaj?

I would reckon he could deal with something like that easier/quicker than the keepers can.

[Raetary]

Here is the thing. It took an entire titan facility and significant effort for Tyr to convert the Wellspring into Arcane over Elemental and it still is a fairly unstable process given that the Primalists can reverse it.
WTF then happened to allow for the Well of Eternity to be transmuted from presumably Elemental into Arcane? The Well is the largest wound on Azeroth, bleeding her lifeblood. Would that mean the keepers build a massive facility (at a much larger scale than Uldorus) at the bottom of the well to do this?

The Pantheon was present during that time, they just oversaw the wounds ordering themselves.
Hell, Aman'thul himself caused the wound.

Though, i don't see where it's implied the WoE was elemental in the text.
From what i can tell it just implies that the originally elemental wellspring under Tyrhold was simply supplanted by new plumbing coming from the WoE.

[8bithamster]

What are you talking about being angry at blizzard???
I think the only bad thing from blizzard related to this is they aren't the best at hiding twists but at the same time they plant seeds for this stuff super early. We actually quest with a dragon who ends up being the infinite dragon in a TBC dungeon

And the aspects still are aspects which is why they are referred to as aspects multiple times since cata.

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We have no idea if they would have different visages and yes I can believe that

He goes to the dracthyr
Says he's one guy
Does evil shit
Dracthyr now distrust nozdormu and his allies

Please provide any evidence in the lore that Nozdormu currently is Murozond. Because that's the only way your theory can happen...

[Holdodlig]

There is a son of Hodir at the bottom of Sennarth' room in the Vault of the Incarnates, strange

The guardians of Northrend might have helped to jail Razageth back then as the Isle wasn't clouded yet.

[huth]

Please provide any evidence in the lore that Nozdormu currently is Murozond. Because that's the only way your theory can happen...

I'm not sure that's actually a sensible request. We have no evidence they're actually clearly distinct phases of his life, rather than, say, a gradual shift.

[Nymrohd]

I'm not sure that's actually a sensible request. We have no evidence they're actually clearly distinct phases of his life, rather than, say, a gradual shift.

Narratively it makes more sense for there to be a cinematic change with him switching names and color tbh. Now obviously character development should have him shift viewpoint and sides over a period of time but that's not how WoW functions.

[Lahis]

inb4 the twist is that there never was Nozdormu. Like Neltharion he was corrupted even before they were turned from proto dragons and has just been holding up a facade all this time.

[Nymrohd]

inb4 the twist is that there never was Nozdormu. Like Neltharion he was corrupted even before they were turned from proto dragons and has just been holding up a facade all this time.

Oh inb4 Murozond was never Nozdormu. The actual Murozond is his evil twin brother (who also had sex with Soridormi one night when they were both drunk).

[Sondrelk]

inb4 the twist is that there never was Nozdormu. Like Neltharion he was corrupted even before they were turned from proto dragons and has just been holding up a facade all this time.

I would prefer if both Neltharion and Nozdormu went insane after the Old Gods showed them what the Titans did to the Dragons to begin with. A sort of lie by omission on the Titan Keepers behalf that the Old Gods would make them insane, leaving out the part where the truth they were shown was the involvement of the Titans.

Them holding up the facade isnt really all that satisfying. It takes all the pathos out of Neltharion turning into Deathwing and being killed, or Nozdormu being good until he decided to just torch it all.

[Jaggler]

I would prefer if both Neltharion and Nozdormu went insane after the Old Gods showed them what the Titans did to the Dragons to begin with. A sort of lie by omission on the Titan Keepers behalf that the Old Gods would make them insane, leaving out the part where the truth they were shown was the involvement of the Titans.

Them holding up the facade isnt really all that satisfying. It takes all the pathos out of Neltharion turning into Deathwing and being killed, or Nozdormu being good until he decided to just torch it all.

I think Deathwing being driven insane by the Old Gods literally sitting in the earth he has a connection to is fitting.

maybe that's what Nozdormu want to discover/confirm in the Legacies shorts: The reason the primalists fight and what the Titans did to them (the dragons).

[Sondrelk]

I think Deathwing being driven insane by the Old Gods literally sitting in the earth he has a connection to is fitting.

maybe that's what Nozdormu want to discover/confirm in the Legacies shorts: The reason the primalists fight and what the Titans did to them (the dragons).

I guess we will find out today with the last Legacies short.

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...576193/photo/1


Tyrs official look.

We are definitely going to see him this expansion. Time travel or is he secretly alive?

I had a thought that if Avaloren is Light-based, he might be in stasis there or secretly working with them.

[8bithamster]

I'm not sure that's actually a sensible request. We have no evidence they're actually clearly distinct phases of his life, rather than, say, a gradual shift.

So yea.. all the theorycrafters saying "Bruh this is Murozond! Not nozdormu" have absolutely 0 basis to go on except "just trust me bro"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Here is the thing. It took an entire titan facility and significant effort for Tyr to convert the Wellspring into Arcane over Elemental and it still is a fairly unstable process given that the Primalists can reverse it.
WTF then happened to allow for the Well of Eternity to be transmuted from presumably Elemental into Arcane? The Well is the largest wound on Azeroth, bleeding her lifeblood. Would that mean the keepers build a massive facility (at a much larger scale than Uldorus) at the bottom of the well to do this?

It could be that titans are mutable and adapt to what ever power is the most present at the time and the wells stay once made even if Azeroth changes.

So the elements were the only ones around making an elemental well, the titans then show up putting the balance in arcanes favour, then by the time of BFA all the forces are in balance leading to azerite being something new.

[Ersula]

It could be that titans are mutable and adapt to what ever power is the most present at the time and the wells stay once made even if Azeroth changes.

So the elements were the only ones around making an elemental well, the titans then show up putting the balance in arcanes favour, then by the time of BFA all the forces are in balance leading to azerite being something new.

Is there any reason, at this point in time, to not assume Titans are made the same way as Eternal Ones: The First Ones used a Zereth to build their bodies & shoved a world-soul inside them? I don't think there is. (You wanting Shadowlands to be non-canon isn't a good enough reason)

[Cheezits]

Is there any reason, at this point in time, to not assume Titans are made the same way as Eternal Ones: The First Ones used a Zereth to build their bodies & shoved a world-soul inside them? I don't think there is. (You wanting Shadowlands to be non-canon isn't a good enough reason)

Because Argus and Azeroth exist. Unless the First Ones can create Titans and then beam them into the core of planets, World Souls don't make sense to be First One Pantheon Constructs.

All we know is that the Titans found Zereth Ordos.

[Catastrophy349]

Because Argus and Azeroth exist. Unless the First Ones can create Titans and then beam them into the core of planets, World Souls don't make sense to be First One Pantheon Constructs.

All we know is that the Titans found Zereth Ordos.

Ah, I would love to see Marvel Eternals happen when the planet becomes strong enough to awaken the Titan inside! Shadowlands Infinity War wasn’t good enough! Give me more Marvel!