Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

That titan relic on his arm though.... Is that supposed to be not important or what cause it felt like its important other then Neltharion just submitting to save his creations or his metaphorical children of sorts.

Tyr's will describes some sort of artifact he left in the care of the Dragonsflights. He also said the Titanforged will need it, but also the Dragons don't know the artifact's true nature. At first I thought they might be referring to the Dragonsoul, but as far as we know that wasn't of titan origin (though it could have been made from energy that originated from the Titans) so instead it looks like it might be referring to this. Although Tyr didn't know it was broken, or even where the glove might be now.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I guess to point out the specific cosmic force. Really Arcane Magic is fine but it is a bit...odd to note(Saying Order Magic instead of Arcane magic).

I’m not one for the dev hate train but I have to assume it’s out of spite for the old lore there is really no other reasonable explanation to change something that’s always been there for something that sounds so much worse.

Bit ass assumption to just go on the hate train but ok @_@

[Revamp Man]

That titan relic on his arm though.... Is that supposed to be not important or what cause it felt like its important other then Neltharion just submitting to save his creations or his metaphorical children of sorts.

Mind control gauntlet causing absolute loyalty similar to what Odyn described in texts

This honestly made me like neltharion more

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Did deathwing ever actually use void magic any where ever?

The idea that he had the power to open a void portal and banish aspect lvl drakes but then only ever used his physical might and fire breath past that is so stupid.

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I don't understand why they felt the need to change their terminology to "Order magic" when "Arcane magic" has been in use for the past 2 decades and works just fine.

I’m not one for the dev hate train but I have to assume it’s out of spite for the old lore there is really no other reasonable explanation to change something that’s always been there for something that sounds so much worse.

[Lady Atia]

Did deathwing ever actually use void magic any where ever?

The idea that he had the power to open a void portal and banish aspect lvl drakes but then only ever used his physical might and fire breath past that is so stupid.

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I’m not one for the dev hate train but I have to assume it’s out of spite for the old lore there is really no other reasonable explanation to change something that’s always been there for something that sounds so much worse.

Yeah, they really messed up the Deathwing fight in Dragonsoul, even more now that we know he could have easily have a third fight via his human form and lots of void abilities ...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah, they really messed up the Deathwing fight in Dragonsoul, even more now that we know he could have easily have a third fight via his human form and lots of void abilities ...

Don’t think it counts as something he could have done at the time given that it just seems retconned in.

[Sondrelk]

A bit weird that Netharion uses flat out void magic when it was never shown before, but I guess that's just something you have to overlook.
The conclusion I guess we are supposed to draw on why he didnt just recreate the Dracthyr later, is that he wanted soldiers he knew he could control himeslf, and not just ones he had to control with a titan artifact.

[Lady Atia]

A bit weird that Netharion uses flat out void magic when it was never shown before, but I guess that's just something you have to overlook.
The conclusion I guess we are supposed to draw on why he didnt just recreate the Dracthyr later, is that he wanted soldiers he knew he could control himeslf, and not just ones he had to control with a titan artifact.

Maybe the waters of Uldorus didn't work on the Dracthyr since they are part mortals, so they could have a natural free will, hence he needed the infinity gauntlet to control them instead?

[Valysar]

This gauntlet is actually IG...

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...k1PNgEqX-T4rAQ

[Berkilak]

I don't understand why they felt the need to change their terminology to "Order magic" when "Arcane magic" has been in use for the past 2 decades and works just fine.

Clarity.

I absolutely detest the modern writing team, but I'll actually give them props for this one. It lets you know the type of magic clearly without having to dive deep into their absolutely horrible cosmology.

[Makabreska]

This gauntlet is actually IG...

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...k1PNgEqX-T4rAQ

Welp, here is this expansion McGuffin.

[Nymrohd]

Did deathwing ever actually use void magic any where ever?

The idea that he had the power to open a void portal and banish aspect lvl drakes but then only ever used his physical might and fire breath past that is so stupid.

The fights with Deathwing were completely stupid anyhow. And really if Umbric can open a void portal to exile people, why shouldn't Neltharion.
Now expecting the vault where Raszageth was kept in the opening zone to be a dungeon that is void themed to give us some variety in theme.

[Berkilak]

This gauntlet is actually IG...

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...k1PNgEqX-T4rAQ

Yeah, 100% a "reforging" situation into an Evoker legendary.

[Makorus]

This gauntlet is actually IG...

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/statu...k1PNgEqX-T4rAQ

Wraithguard-looking ass.

[Nymrohd]

Welp, here is this expansion McGuffin.

Second level McGuffin. The Oathstones with the Mother Oathstone are the leveling McGuffins. Legion has the same (Pillars then Crucible and Triumvirate gems), BfA did as well (Heart of Azeroth then Cloak)

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Wraithguard-looking ass.

Keening when? In before Azshara uses them to transmute the Heart of Azeroth and become a First One.

[Ersula]

I guess to point out the specific cosmic force. Really Arcane Magic is fine but it is a bit...odd to note(Saying Order Magic instead of Arcane magic).

I suppose there is a subtle difference, though it does suggest "order magic" is going to be the new boogidy oogidy of this season, ala Domination magic. Although... if "order magic" is used to align people to the will of the Titans; how is Order magic different from Domination magic?

So when they say magic, I think they mean it as a kind of resource, rather than something you use to cast an actual spell. We got a lot of types of magic at this point, If they're taking inspiration from other fantasy settings, there is a kind of channeling for each of the cosmic forces & prime elements, and all magic is the interaction of these forces:

(Bastion) Anima: "Pure"
Domination: Order + Death
(Revendreth) Pain: Shadow + Order
(Ardenweald) Fae: Order + Life
(Maldraxxus) Necrotic: Life + Death
(Cataclysm) Frostfire: Frost + Fire
(Cataclysm) Shadowfrost: Shadow + Frost
(Cataclysm) Radiant: Shadow + Holy
(Vanilla) Black: Fire + Death
(Vanilla) Bronze: Order + Chaos
(Vanilla) Emerald: Life + Chaos
(Vanilla) Azure: Order + Frost and Fire
(Vanilla) Ruby: Fire + Life
(Pre-vanilla) Water: Frost + Chaos
(Pre-Vanilla) Fel: Chaos + Fire
(Pre-Vanilla) Lightning: Holy + Chaos
(Pre-Vanilla) Nature: Life + Holy
(Pre-Vanilla) Light: Holy + Order

[Cheezits]

People get REALLY heated about the Order terminology and it's odd. Did you ever consider that it may have been changed to be the normal use of the word so that lore casuals know what it is?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The fights with Deathwing were completely stupid anyhow. And really if Umbric can open a void portal to exile people, why shouldn't Neltharion.
Now expecting the vault where Raszageth was kept in the opening zone to be a dungeon that is void themed to give us some variety in theme.

Umbric was always a wizard he just traded own magical power for another, deathwing to my understanding has never before used the void or even arcane/Fel in any way other then being mutated by it.

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People get REALLY heated about the Order terminology and it's odd. Did you ever consider that it may have been changed to be the normal use of the word so that lore casuals know what it is?

Lore casuals would have heard arcane numinous times through out there time playing wow but never once heard of order unless they looked into chronicles.

This change is the opposite of making it for lore casuals.

[Nymrohd]

Umbric was always a wizard he just traded own magical power for another, deathwing to my understanding has never before used the void or even arcane/Fel in any way other then being mutated by it.

Pretty sure all the dragons have the potential to be casters (not just the blue) and Deathwing liberally used charm magic in his Visage form as Daval Prestor

[Cheezits]

Actually, now that I watched the actual video... it's probably called Order magic because it's literally mind control. Since when could Arcane do that?