Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lady Atia]

Ah, I would love to see Marvel Eternals happen when the planet becomes strong enough to awaken the Titan inside! Shadowlands Infinity War wasn’t good enough! Give me more Marvel!

And what's wrong with marvel? It's the most succesful movie franchise out there lol.

[Cheezits]

Ah, I would love to see Marvel Eternals happen when the planet becomes strong enough to awaken the Titan inside! Shadowlands Infinity War wasn’t good enough! Give me more Marvel!

LOL, the Titan plot was going on for a decade + before Eternals came out...

[Catastrophy349]

LOL, the Titan plot was going on for a decade + before Eternals came out...

It’s very clear that you took my comment seriously when it wasn’t meant to be.

[Ersula]

Because Argus and Azeroth exist. Unless the First Ones can create Titans and then beam them into the core of planets, World Souls don't make sense to be First One Pantheon Constructs.

What are you talking about?

1.) Nowhere does it say Azeroth is a titan already. She is just a world soul. All we know is that the Titans clearly wanted her to become a Titan IE: Stick her world soul in a body made at Zereth Ordus in all likelyhood.

2.) There's noting to contradict the same thing didn't happen to Argus: The planet didn't have a core when we see it, it's a shell. It's described as had been sundered the same way Sargeras intended to do to Azeroth. Either the corruption of Argus happened after the First Ones made him a body or Sargeras himself knew how to make him one.

[Osmeric]

LOL, the Titan plot was going on for a decade + before Eternals came out...

It's almost as if you didn't know about comic books.

[Cheezits]

What are you talking about?

1.) Nowhere does it say Azeroth is a titan already. She is just a world soul. All we know is that the Titans clearly wanted her to become a Titan IE: Stick her world soul in a body made at Zereth Ordus in all likelyhood.

2.) There's noting to contradict the same thing didn't happen to Argus: The planet didn't have a core when we see it, it's a shell. It's described as had been sundered the same way Sargeras intended to do to Azeroth. Either the corruption of Argus happened after the First Ones made him a body or Sargeras himself knew how to make him one.

Titans are World Souls that hatch from worlds, UNLESS that is a lie. However, we have seen how First One Pantheon Constructs (FOPC from here on out) are made: they have a construct body + a magic soul that they obtain from somewhere (these are the things in the big orbs we find during the Arbiter questline) that fuse to become an entity.

If Titans are FOPCs, why do they need to incubate in a world? And why did Argus's soul turn into a realized form when he beamed into the Seat of the Pantheon, without use of any kind of robot construct? Because he isn't an FOPC.

[Sondrelk]

So, any prediction on what the last animated short will contain?

My guess is a reveal on the Titan Keepers being the cause in some way of the conflict with the Primals, and that Nozdormu will be taken aback by this revelation.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is there any reason, at this point in time, to not assume Titans are made the same way as Eternal Ones: The First Ones used a Zereth to build their bodies & shoved a world-soul inside them? I don't think there is. (You wanting Shadowlands to be non-canon isn't a good enough reason)

There’s no way to know how it works or if it’s the same way as shadowlands.

The externals were souls from ??? Put into robot body’s, the titans could be souls from ??? Put into planets and then left to evolve beyond that or they could be planet souls that went to the zerith and were then given body’s or Mabye the planet and the soul was made in the Zerith and then shot out into the great dark waiting to wake up.

It’s all guess work until we get more info and find out rather chronicles origin is a full retcon or a partially retcon.

[Dracullus]

So, any prediction on what the last animated short will contain?

My guess is a reveal on the Titan Keepers being the cause in some way of the conflict with the Primals, and that Nozdormu will be taken aback by this revelation.

I think just backstory for Dracthyrs and first tier villain.

[Sondrelk]

I think just backstory for Dracthyrs and first tier villain.

I suppose that is the boring, but realistic answer. Just a simple showing of the Dracthyr fighting the Primals and then being sealed after Neltharion asys something cryptic about them being needed at some other conflict.

[Ersula]

Titans are World Souls that hatch from worlds, UNLESS that is a lie. However, we have seen how First One Pantheon Constructs (FOPC from here on out) are made: they have a construct body + a magic soul that they obtain from somewhere (these are the things in the big orbs we find during the Arbiter questline) that fuse to become an entity.

If Titans are FOPCs, why do they need to incubate in a world? And why did Argus's soul turn into a realized form when he beamed into the Seat of the Pantheon, without use of any kind of robot construct? Because he isn't an FOPC.

• You're suggesting that Argus appearing in front of us as players in Antorus, was when he was literally being 'born' rather than some point in the last million years. It's not. Why would you assume that? Given what we know about Shadowlands, corrupting Argus was probably the beginning point of the Jailer's millennia-spanning plan.
• The Sepulcher is designed to use world souls. The Jailer didn't remodel the Sepulcher to extract Azeroth's world soul; it does that by the first ones' design. That's how they made the Eternal Ones. Clearly, Titans are not the only thing that use World Souls.
• "we have seen how First One Pantheon Constructs (FOPC from here on out) are made: they have a construct body + a magic soul that they obtain from somewhere (these are the things in the big orbs we find during the Arbiter questline) that fuse to become an entity." Okay, now use your brain: What did we also find there? In that exact same spot where they got the Eternal One's souls? In the climax of the Zereth Mortis campaign? ARGUS, The Titan of Death

The First Ones build bodies for World Souls: Their identifier is just what their job is: Eternal Ones are in charge of the Shadowlands; the Titans are in charge of the material plane.

[Lady Atia]

So, any prediction on what the last animated short will contain?

My guess is a reveal on the Titan Keepers being the cause in some way of the conflict with the Primals, and that Nozdormu will be taken aback by this revelation.

It's about the creation of the Dracthyr and their fight against Razageth.

[Khaza-R]

So, any prediction on what the last animated short will contain?

My guess is a reveal on the Titan Keepers being the cause in some way of the conflict with the Primals, and that Nozdormu will be taken aback by this revelation.

As others have said, I think it will just be about the Dracthyr and Raszageth. Maybe some small revelation as to why Deathwing saw the primals as a larger threat.

I doubt we will see anything about Murozond yet. Personally, I think his story is going to be connected to the 7th force. He can't see his transformation because the 7th force is hidden. So if he does become Murozond this expansion, I think its going to be a vessel to connect the plot back the larger story they started in ZM.

[Sondrelk]

It's about the creation of the Dracthyr and their fight against Razageth.

So you are assuming absolutely no curveballs on what Nozdormu is looking for? One would have assume that if he was just wondering why they got sealed in then he could have just asked Neltharion why he left them behind, or Malygos why he helped.

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As others have said, I think it will just be about the Dracthyr and Raszageth. Maybe some small revelation as to why Deathwing saw the primals as a larger threat.

I doubt we will see anything about Murozond yet. Personally, I think his story is going to be connected to the 7th force. He can't see his transformation because the 7th force is hidden. So if he does become Murozond this expansion, I think its going to be a vessel to connect the plot back the larger story they started in ZM.

One has to wonder whether they will even try to justify why Neltharion left the Dracthyr behind when he went to defend Azeroth.
My guess for boring reveal is that he didnt want them to be killed before creating the Dragon Soul and turning on his allies.
For interesting reveal I would say he wanted them to stay behind until the world was ready to go against the Titan Keepers.

[Nymrohd]

Is there any reason, at this point in time, to not assume Titans are made the same way as Eternal Ones: The First Ones used a Zereth to build their bodies & shoved a world-soul inside them? I don't think there is. (You wanting Shadowlands to be non-canon isn't a good enough reason)

Are passing grades in reading comprehension a reason?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Are passing grades in reading comprehension a reason?

I guess for some reason he is doubting the whole birthing process of Titans is true cause well "Titan POV" and well this new Anti Titan Keeper phase we have going on.

[Berkilak]

Legacies have been coming out Tuesdays at 20 minutes ago, right?

[Sondrelk]

Legacies have been coming out Tuesdays at 20 minutes ago, right?

Sure seems so.
Guess this might be a Wabringers: Sylvanas situation where the short has more lore implications, and will be a part of a questline during the Dracthyr questline or something.

[Revamp Man]

Please provide any evidence in the lore that Nozdormu currently is Murozond. Because that's the only way your theory can happen...

the nozdormu we quest with isnt moruzond
the one in the shorts is
say it with me
TIME
TRAVEL

[Nymrohd]

the nozdormu we quest with isnt moruzond
the one in the shorts is
say it with me
TIME
TRAVEL

You know we meet Nozdormu right? We are right there when he gets out of the creche with Emberthal.