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    Same reason many class restrictions existed some races just aren’t made for X power and dragons could be the same which is why they rarely go beyond there flight powers.

    As the lore moves forward and things get retconned these restrictions go away which is why I asked if they could always do so or if it was new.
    Or the restriction never existed in the case of Dragons being able to use Arcane Magic, they just don't.



    So in Dragonflight questing, there is a small questline about there being "something" underground that is able to mind control draconic creatures.

    Did someone restart Neltharion's work on the command artifact, or did Neltharion himself restart work on it as Deathwing? If he could somehow reach the Isles from Deepholm...
    If it is the gauntlet, one has to wonder where it came from. Its a Titan artifact to be sure but what was the purpose for and how did Deathwing I mean Neltharion get a hand on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Or the restriction never existed in the case of Dragons being able to use Arcane Magic, they just don't.
    There’s no way to know that without actual examples of them being able to use X power in the lore, with no lore examples there’s no reason to think it’s a possibility even more so in the old lore where things were a lot more restrictive.

    From the looks of up there is a single example and said example is mainly in missable books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    There’s no way to know that without actual examples of them being able to use X power in the lore, with no lore examples there’s no reason to think it’s a possibility even more so in the old lore where things were a lot more restrictive.

    From the looks of up there is a single example and said example is mainly in missable books.
    But you literally have an example of them being able to use that power.

    You can learn being a mage, just like you can learn to be a hunter or a warrior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaggler View Post
    But you literally have an example of them being able to use that power.

    You can learn being a mage, just like you can learn to be a hunter or a warrior.
    Yes there is now an example and there wasn’t one before which is why I asked in the first place and wanted clarification on rather they were actually using arcane and not the natural flight magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Or the restriction never existed in the case of Dragons being able to use Arcane Magic, they just don't.





    If it is the gauntlet, one has to wonder where it came from. Its a Titan artifact to be sure but what was the purpose for and how did Deathwing I mean Neltharion get a hand on it.
    I think there is a lore book on the Dragon Isles that talk about the Titan Keepers giving the Dragon aspects something or other which the Keepers assumed the Dragons didn't know the purpose of. Seems likely it was the gauntlet, and that controlling people are just one of the functions it has.
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    New build today?
    We already had a release build. I think at this point we are unlikely to see more builds but rather likely to see hotfixes?

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    We already had a release build. I think at this point we are unlikely to see more builds but rather likely to see hotfixes?
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    New build today?
    Builds are done. The only thing I expect is a long down time on monday/tuesday
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    Btw I find it interesting that the Void was OK with Neltharion stopping the Primalists. It was not in the Old Gods' interest for the Primalists to win at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw I find it interesting that the Void was OK with Neltharion stopping the Primalists. It was not in the Old Gods' interest for the Primalists to win at that point.
    The old gods, and N'zoth specifically, prefers playing the long game. By letting the Primalists lose they got an even more powerful pawn with Neltharion, who seems both more capable, and far more intelligent.
    Let the Primalists win there and they would probably just be stopped by the Titan Keepers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw I find it interesting that the Void was OK with Neltharion stopping the Primalists. It was not in the Old Gods' interest for the Primalists to win at that point.
    The void can be channeled like the light so it could be that he went beyond the old gods at that point and they crept in through his connection to the void after instead of being the connection it self.

    If they went that route they could even say he wasn’t corrupted at first and it was still the old gods slipping in and driving him mad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Btw I find it interesting that the Void was OK with Neltharion stopping the Primalists. It was not in the Old Gods' interest for the Primalists to win at that point.
    Tbh I think nzoth figured he was better off having a kinda double agent than backing the galakrond and his supporters even if he's a result of their blood.

    Honestly I'm ready for Xal to return and be revealed as an old god that was betrayed by the others and in hearing her story we find nzoth might be alive still

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The question isn’t really rather he used magic it’s rather he used arcane magic or could get by with the flight magic.

    The blues/greens we know use arcane/nature but the blacks have there own magic and don’t use the elements, same with the bronze and time magic and presumably the reds and what ever they focus in. Rather a dragon can just pick up a magic school and go beyond what they were made for is the dubious count.

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    See these are better examples just being on a secret council or even fighting with mages doesn’t really display that he’s using arcane and not say just doing What dracthyr do with there red powers but stuff like scrying time magic ect is outside of the reds wheel house.
    Well, he was a Knaak character after all ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The void can be channeled like the light so it could be that he went beyond the old gods at that point and they crept in through his connection to the void after instead of being the connection it self.

    If they went that route they could even say he wasn’t corrupted at first and it was still the old gods slipping in and driving him mad.
    So basically void elves?

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    So basically void elves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
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    While it was weird seeing Neltharion using Void powers, I liked that he chooses to become corrupted to achieve something, instead of being slowly corrupted through his sleep.

    If they do the same thing with Nozdormu, I'll not complain.

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    In these visions Neltharion is using Void magic, the Evokers are using polearms... Clearly Nozdormu has already gone mad!

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