Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Sure, i could absolutely just farm it will all my alts, but that's not really all that fun when you are constantly stressing about whether you have enough time.
If i know it will be faster as time goes on then i can just do it at my own pace, and know that if I am behind then it's easier to grind it out closer to the 28th.

Well, you can do it on your own pace since it's account wide and you know you can brute force it with alts if you won't be lucky on main. If you knew it will be faster as time goes on (not out of picture, maybe invasions will intensify like legion ones), you would probably complain there is no reason to touch it on release week.

[Therougetitan]

So.. why is the arcane spec still called arcane then? Why is arcane blast still called arcane blast etc?

There goes the logic

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I rather they not mess with Arcane, its fine and it always seems like the non fire/ice school but....yeah you get the point(Its early and I'm tired so I might of just rambled)

[Ferlion]

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

Back in the day, there was a notable difference between Chaos magic and Fel magic. Through game mechanics. Chaos magic was a mix of all different spell types, and it ignored all resistances and immunities. I think at one point, though I can't say if this is still the case, that interrupting a chaos spell locked you out of all spell schools as well.

It was, in many ways, similar to cosmic damage which does the same thing.

That is to say, Chaos Bolt was very specifically called Chaos bolt instead of Fel bolt for a reason.

[Khaza-R]

You guys do realize there CAN be different magics and whatnot, but it's still fundamentally influenced or whatnot by the same force, yeah?

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Chaos, Hell, and Fel magics can exist, but they are mostly used for the same Cosmic Power of Disorder.

Order magic sounds as lame as calling something Disorder magic though. They probably should of just come up with a new name if they wanted to create a new space for something tied to the Titans but not quite arcane magic.

[Raetary]

I mean, the Titans are the Lords of Order. Why would the stuff they wield not be called "Order Magics"?

Not be called?
It IS called that.

Because in the context of the warcraft universe, "Arcane" is synonymous with "Order".
Just like 'Fel' is for Disorder.
Just like 'Holy' is for Light and 'Shadow' is for Void.
Just like 'Necromantic' was for Death before they decided to throw that out of the window and simply call it "Death Magic".

"Arcane magic" IS "Order magic".

[huth]

Not be called?
It IS called that.

Because in the context of the warcraft universe, "Arcane" is synonymous with "Order".
Just like 'Fel' is for Disorder.
Just like 'Holy' is for Light and 'Shadow' is for Void.
Just like 'Necromantic' was for Death before they decided to throw that out of the window and simply call it "Death Magic".

"Arcane magic" IS "Order magic".

Does it actually say anywhere that it isn't called Arcane anymore? There can be more than one term for things. Necromancy can still be used for Death magic as well, it might just seem a little unfitting for things like what it's used for in Ardenweald.

[Kiivar86]

Tbh, the whole "omg Blizzard renamed it because LoL owns the word Arcane and totally invented it lololol" level of logic is simply amusing. People have no idea about language and then proclaim their game 100% invented the term.

It does remind me a bit of people noticing how with WoD Blizzard kept using Grom's full name, and saying it may be due to how Honda now has a motorcycle named Grom.

Still stupid idea though.

[Nymrohd]

Meh, there is nothing stopping Arcane from being an effect instead of a force. AS Necromancy is an Effect that can be sourced from any of the Six forces so can Arcane. It then comes to identifying what we associate with the Arcane effect; time magic, illusion, pure force effects that are used both as Abjurations/Wards and as Evocations. Is there a reason why these should be exclusive to Order? Shouldn't Void and Chaos have access to Illusion? Should Void and Light not be able to affect Time?

[Revamp Man]

Does it actually say anywhere that it isn't called Arcane anymore? There can be more than one term for things. Necromancy can still be used for Death magic as well, it might just seem a little unfitting for things like what it's used for in Ardenweald.

The cosmology map has arcane under order so while all arcane magic is order magic not all order magic is arcane

Did multiple pages really happen over this subject

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this is accurate

[8bithamster]

Counter point: Why is Chaos bolt called that instead of Fel bolt? How is there Void Bolt and Shadow Crash? How is there spells that both start with Light and Holy? Is Lifebloom or Nature's Swiftness correct when they are both spells? Why is it Death coil but not Necromantic coil or any other spells called Necromantic when would be in the same level as arcane?

The answer: They just haven't made a spell with order in it doesn't mean there won't be one day.

Wooooosh.. you missed the point. People were talking about Arcane being renamed because of LoL inventing the word Arcane apparently. Not what some headcanon people decide is Order/Arcane nowadays.

[Nymrohd]

this is accurate

Is it? Cause the Shadowlands is depicted separate from Death there. And what we saw of Death really placed little emphasis on Necromancy and Undeath; they were at most tools used in Death but not central to the story.

[Izalla]

It does remind me a bit of people noticing how with WoD Blizzard kept using Grom's full name, and saying it may be due to how Honda now has a motorcycle named Grom.

Still stupid idea though.

To be fair, there was an actual WoD leak that said that Grom would be called Grommash because of legal trademark issues, and people laughed about how stupid that was at the time.

[Khaza-R]

I mean, the Titans are the Lords of Order. Why would the stuff they wield not be called "Order Magics"?

Because to the point you made, Order is just an umbrella term. So yes, there is Disorder magic as well but its not actually a specific thing but a way to encompass the totality of magic that occupies that cosmic forces sphere (fel, chaos, nether, etc).

Calling something Order magic doesn't make any sense unless the context is that its some yet unknown type of magic that is vaguely being attributed to Order.

[Revamp Man]

Is it? Cause the Shadowlands is depicted separate from Death there. And what we saw of Death really placed little emphasis on Necromancy and Undeath; they were at most tools used in Death but not central to the story.

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

[Aucald]

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

It's to the right of Reality, opposite the Emerald Dream.

[Kiivar86]

To be fair, there was an actual WoD leak that said that Grom would be called Grommash because of legal trademark issues, and people laughed about how stupid that was at the time.

Yeah that's the one I'm thinking of. And I'll admit, I was one of them laughing about it.

Still think its dumb. Plus usage of Grom in Warcraft predates the motorcycle.

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

Might want to look again.

[Revamp Man]

It's to the right of Reality, opposite the Emerald Dream.

So it has a link to
Disorder
Death
And void via the elements as well then

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Yeah that's the one I'm thinking of. And I'll admit, I was one of them laughing about it.

Still think its dumb. Plus usage of Grom in Warcraft predates the motorcycle.



Might want to look again.

Yeah I overlooked that
It shows links to multiple forces though so it's not pure death even there

[huth]

So it has a link to
Disorder
Death
And void via the elements as well then

No, that's just artistry. The chart does not display affinities or alignments.

[Ersula]

The Shadowlands aren't on that map

Considering it's the Broker map this is a pretty headass statement. The Brokers live in the Shadowlands. The Brokers refer to the Dream + World of the Living + Shadowlands "The Great Cycle". It's all just lumped together, making the 2 maps effectively the same.