Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Then I think valid question is why the hell people were hyping this. Wowhead even made post "Preach is returning to WoW" in news section xD.

[Izalla]

The pages are broken again and my dumb ass keeps thinking there is more to read.

[Catastrophy349]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSodDiwL3g 6:00 P.M. EST on the 20th! You can see the questions they will discuss in the description!

[Sondrelk]

The pages are broken again and my dumb ass keeps thinking there is more to read.

Soon we should get a new thread, that should fix it for longer when there are less pages to bug out.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Soon we should get a new thread, that should fix it for longer when there are less pages to bug out.

Indeed... this is pretty annoying atm!

[Makabreska]

Soon we should get a new thread, that should fix it for longer when there are less pages to bug out.

Not sure if that helps, I saw this bug in a 12 pages thread.

Interviews are up.

[Catastrophy349]

Add another one to the list!

https://youtu.be/wS9yoFi5SsM AnnieFuchsia and Ion tomorrow!

Along with Nobbel in less than 2 hours with Steve Danuser and Bonus.roll.gg tomorrow!

[huth]

Soon we should get a new thread, that should fix it for longer when there are less pages to bug out.

So long as the forum keeps delaying updating page numbers when posts get deleted, that won't really do much.

[Sondrelk]

So long as the forum keeps delaying updating page numbers when posts get deleted, that won't really do much.

Still means less posts that could be deleted.

[Catastrophy349]

Beginning right now! Will discuss after! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSodDiwL3g

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Well, that was an interview.

[Cheezits]

Beginning right now! Will discuss after! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSodDiwL3g

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Well, that was an interview.

Couple interesting points from this:

- Danuser genuinely doesn't think that the Jailer storyline ruined old stories and that wasn't the intention. But he's aware that Sylvanas motivation should've been ingame. "You can see the stories as they were at the time" (I kind of agree)

- He shits on the idea that the mortals are pretedermined to beat the Jailer, which ZM implies, but instead clarifies that it was a contigency plan of many that the First Ones laid out. He doubles down that the magic power of mortals is Free Will and that the Enlightened Brokers made a prophecies/religions out of what they wanted to believe.

- He mentions they are aware of Gilneas, again, but doesn't say more. Because they aren't going to confirm a revamp lol

- Centaur have existed since Pangea Azeroth. Maruuk left, the other clans killed themselves, until the the earth elemental and the dryad rebirth the species.

- Says that there is a lot of bad things the Primalists did through history that we will learn, and that they aren't as sympathetic as they appear at launch.

[Reive]

Seems like they want to soften the impact of shadowlands on the lore without retconning it. Idk, that's a weird hill to die on. Shadowlands has created so many issues with the lore that trying to fix them takes way more time and effort than straight up making the expansion non canon.

Also, i can't trust danuser because he doesn't seem to have a clear design in mind. Hearing him trying to give an explanation to his own writing was kinda sad tbh. I truly wish he'd step away from his position.

[Cheezits]

Seems like they want to soften the impact of shadowlands on the lore without retconning it. Idk, that's a weird hill to die on. Shadowlands has created so many issues with the lore that trying to fix them takes way more time and effort than straight up making the expansion non canon.

Also, i can't trust danuser because he doesn't seem to have a clear design in mind. Hearing him trying to give an explanation to his own writing was kinda sad tbh. I truly wish he'd step away from his position.

Retconning an expansion would be a horrible idea, it would set precedent that the fanbase can straight up veto stories they dont like. Its much better to pull a WoD and salvage some concepts from it people actually liked (Nathrezim/Denathrius) while mostly ignoring it instead of saying it didn't happen because the will of the people made it so.

If anything, if its still seen as super cancerous story killer in the years to come, they may pull a Legion where they straight up rewrite it (because TBC Illidan was stupid).

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Seems like they want to soften the impact of shadowlands on the lore without retconning it. Idk, that's a weird hill to die on. Shadowlands has created so many issues with the lore that trying to fix them takes way more time and effort than straight up making the expansion non canon.

Also, i can't trust danuser because he doesn't seem to have a clear design in mind. Hearing him trying to give an explanation to his own writing was kinda sad tbh. I truly wish he'd step away from his position.

I'd rather have him then what came before him. But this forum is known to have a Danuser hate boner so w/e. Completely retconning a expansion because loud people on the internet demand it just makes it look like the players have the story hostile.

[Reive]

Retconning an expansion would be a horrible idea, it would set precedent that the fanbase can straight up veto stories they dont like. Its much better to pull a WoD and salvage some concepts from it people actually liked (Nathrezim/Denathrius) while mostly ignoring it instead of saying it didn't happen because the will of the people made it so.

If anything, if its still seen as super cancerous story killer in the years to come, they may pull a Legion where they straight up rewrite it (because TBC Illidan was stupid).

But wod and tbc weren't as dangeruos for the lore as shadowlands is. Shadowlands has touched every bit of lore and left a stain on it. All the cultures don't mean anything anymore, death is pointless and without actual weight now that anyone can come and go from the shadowlands, characters like elune, arthas, sargeras and sylvanas have been ruined.

Seriously, retconning this expansion would have been the best thing.

[Gurahk]

I'd rather have him then what came before him. But this forum is known to have a Danuser hate boner so w/e. Completely retconning a expansion because loud people on the internet demand it just makes it look like the players have the story hostile.

I know who you mean, but at this point I'd rather have his way of story telling (not the awful person behind those stories mind you)
WoW stories in the past were cliches and kind of mediocre, but they worked really well for the tone of the game.

[Reive]

Definitely doesn't feel like it at all, what?

Everything is the same imo

Nobbel showed in the video evidence of danuser going against what was established already. The true maw walker? Just the brokers doing their thing. The first ones' prophecy? Just a bunch of tips/hints. Free will reigns supreme.

I'm talking about these kind of walkbacks

[Aeluron Lightsong]

But wod and tbc weren't as dangeruos for the lore as shadowlands is. Shadowlands has touched every bit of lore and left a stain on it. All the cultures don't mean anything anymore, death is pointless and without actual weight now that anyone can come and go from the shadowlands, characters like elune, arthas, sargeras and sylvanas have been ruined.

Seriously, retconning this expansion would have been the best thing.

No it would not, its just bitter fanfiction. You would have to get rid of a lot of character development for individuals let alone Anduin being missing. Arthas's soul somehow being where it is, and many other things. The people asking for a total ret-con aren't really thinking of all the consequences involved for doing that.

I know who you mean, but at this point I'd rather have his way of story telling (not the awful person behind those stories mind you)
WoW stories in the past were cliches and kind of mediocre, but they worked really well for the tone of the game.

Not buying it, I don't consider Wow's story mediocre but whatever.

[Catastrophy349]

https://twitter.com/Unshackled_Fury/...MZqm1nnvli-XkQ Looking forward to the other part of the interview being released tomorrow (we got the write up of the interview, but apparently, there is more regarding patch cadence, the next patch, etc.!

[Cheezits]

But wod and tbc weren't as dangeruos for the lore as shadowlands is. Shadowlands has touched every bit of lore and left a stain on it. All the cultures don't mean anything anymore, death is pointless and without actual weight now that anyone can come and go from the shadowlands, characters like elune, arthas, sargeras and sylvanas have been ruined.

Seriously, retconning this expansion would have been the best thing.

I can understand not liking the character relevations of sargeras/sylvanas/elune but arthas is literally the same, he did nothing in SL. He deserved to die.

And there are more afterlives that weren't shown and can be correct for races, so the "death cultures are fake/ruined" argument is BS. It's a videogame with limited development time, so just because we didn't go to Shamanworld or Pandadeathland doesn't mean they aren't there, and they aren't deconfirmed until its said so.