Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Reive]

Patch 10.0.2. its a thing and we will know about It soon. Big patches every 5-6 months. From what I get from the interview, DF is going to have the best post launch content of any expansion in terms of cadence and quantity, lets hope that the quality is top notch too.

I hope so. Wow has a lot to prove right now.

Anyway, thanks.

[Darkarath]

BTW i do not know if this has been discussed already:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...-warrior-class

Drakonid allied race incoming? Blizzard's answer here seems to imply that the Dragon Isles could be a good chance for more allied races.

It would be funny if they do it because a drakonid (and neutral, I Guess) Allied Race would be 1000000 times more popular than Dracthyr.

[Cheezits]

BTW i do not know if this has been discussed already:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...-warrior-class

Drakonid allied race incoming? Blizzard's answer here seems to imply that the Dragon Isles could be a good chance for more allied races.

It would be funny if they do it because a drakonid (and neutral, I Guess) Allied Race would be 1000000 times more popular than Dracthyr.

I don't think Drakonid are going to be as popular as MMOC thinks. They are muscular, but are more lizards than Dracthyr are, and are just the same classes as usual.

That being said I think most likely is Tuskarr (male and female) and then Drakonid. But also possibly whatever the Dwarf variant is we meet.

[LordyLordy]

BTW i do not know if this has been discussed already:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...-warrior-class

Drakonid allied race incoming? Blizzard's answer here seems to imply that the Dragon Isles could be a good chance for more allied races.

It would be funny if they do it because a drakonid (and neutral, I Guess) Allied Race would be 1000000 times more popular than Dracthyr.

Boo for not giving Dracthyr access to other classes...

[Zulggun]

BTW i do not know if this has been discussed already:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-wa...-warrior-class

Drakonid allied race incoming? Blizzard's answer here seems to imply that the Dragon Isles could be a good chance for more allied races.

It would be funny if they do it because a drakonid (and neutral, I Guess) Allied Race would be 1000000 times more popular than Dracthyr.

Allied races were bfa content, give it a rest.

[Nathanyel]

People's problem with Forsworn is that they were in the right to start and didn't really get a good ending until a lot of them got killed.

But they weren't "right". Every single Ascended Kyrian at some point decided to give up their memories. Ascension was a decades-long process, and were it not for the Anima Drought, those who decided against it could return to Oribos to head to another afterlife.

Sure, there were the fantasy equivalent of societal urging ("You have been chosen") which would even amount to propaganda in non-Fantasy settings, but the only ones forcing things on people were the Forsworn, in their very first mass appearance they forced doubts into aspirants, effectively converting them to Forsworn.

Yes, the rank and file were merely misled, but higherups were plain evil for hiding details and instigating violence (of course it's Fantasy, so they were corrupted by Doubt, which isn't just an emotion here)

That the Kyrian welcomed them back later was an olive branch: "ok, if it prevents future uprisings like this, we'll let people keep/retrieve their mortal memories. We're picking up new ideas from these mortals anyway."

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Sylvanas, rather than a sad, lost person who legitimately had a point, should have been portrayed as a narcissistic lunatic who is so up her own ass with self-aggrandizement and nihilistic frustration that she fails to realize that any effort made to reshape the universe according to the whims of limited flesh brains invariably fall flat.

I mean, isn't that exactly what we saw in 9.0? She is so convinced by the misrepresentations of the SL the Jailer fed her, that "we can make everything better, if only we were in charge", and believes that she only has to explain this to Anduin to convince him to join the Jailer's side.
But Anduin's obvious answers tear holes in that view, and she begins to question herself.
What follows is, use a shorthand, basically the Anakin/Padme meme:

"We're gonna make everything better, we're equal partners, and we do this for the freedom of all, right?"
*Jailer forges Arthas's soul into the mourneblade*
"we're equal partners and we do this for the freedom of all, right?"
*Jailer continues to torture Jaina&Co. after already having won*
"Oh..."

[Sondrelk]

Allied races were bfa content, give it a rest.

So was M+. Don't see why it couldnt be used going forward, same as other expansion specific stuff that players might like, for instance Dragonriding.

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The last short story confirms once again that Turalyon will become a villain. I mean, just look at how he burst out laughing when he heard a joke... totally suspicious! Do you people reckon that he'll be overthrown in the Siege of Stormwind at the end of Dragonflight or at the end of the next expansion?

Who knows. Soon he might ask for Stormwinds defences to be fortified against attacks from rogue dragons and primalists, and then the people of the Alliance will truly see ho tyrannical Turalyon can be when it comes to proven hostile threats who are currently out in the world plotting to kill them all.

[Valysar]

Enemy difficulty has been adjusted to increase relative player power in all Legion raid encounters.

Well, it's worse than before.

But as always, Blizzard does not know what they are doing with old raids...

Just let us oneshot everything in Legion and BFA, like we can OS Black Temple's bosses, or Hellfire Citadell etc...

[Sondrelk]

Well, it's worse than before.

But as always, Blizzard does not know what they are doing with old raids...

Just let us oneshot everything in Legion and BFA, like we can OS Black Temple's bosses, or Hellfire Citadell etc...

Why? Idly oneshotting enemies is the most boring gameplay the game offers. And by guaranteeing it you remove the small amount of progression you get in older raids constantly going in with a smaller group until you can eventually solo it.
You will outgear raids eventually, and not everyone feels progression from seeing tiny numerical increases in damage output, they see it in stuff like farming old dugeons increasingly easily, and with less hassle.

[Valysar]

Why? Idly oneshotting enemies is the most boring gameplay the game offers. And by guaranteeing it you remove the small amount of progression you get in older raids constantly going in with a smaller group until you can eventually solo it.
You will outgear raids eventually, and not everyone feels progression from seeing tiny numerical increases in damage output, they see it in stuff like farming old dugeons increasingly easily, and with less hassle.

Yes, they're OLD raids, so who cares if we can OS them just to farm xmogs ? No one has complained in recent years about us being able to OS old raids like BT as I said. Legion and BFA are now outdated contents. Let us blast those raids easily.

[Varodoc]

So was M+. Don't see why it couldnt be used going forward, same as other expansion specific stuff that players might like, for instance Dragonriding.

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Who knows. Soon he might ask for Stormwinds defences to be fortified against attacks from rogue dragons and primalists, and then the people of the Alliance will truly see ho tyrannical Turalyon can be when it comes to proven hostile threats who are currently out in the world plotting to kill them all.

This still pales in comparison to the possibility of Turalyon demanding that the Alliance hero report to him all the important things that will go down in the Dragon Isles. This single act of sheer entitlement and arrogance would definitely spark a civil war to overthrow the tyrant.

[Sondrelk]

Yes, they're OLD raids, so who cares if we can OS them just to farm xmogs ? No one has complained in recent years about us being able to OS old raids like BT as I said. Legion and BFA are now outdated contents. Let us blast those raids easily.

You can blast Legion raids easily. It's only once you get to Mythic ToS or Antorus that you start hitting roadblocks. Uldir raids are capable of being doable solo if you play your class well even, and that is the previous expansion.
Just be patient and play the game. Once you get to level 70 in a week you should be able to clear Uldir fairly easily, and start making headway into BfA raids.

I mean, do you just want the devs to flip a switch once we go into 10.0 that lowers the health of BfA and Legion bosses by 99%? Is it unreasonable that Shadowlands raids will not be soloable even with full VotI raid gear?

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This still pales in comparison to the possibility of Turalyon demanding that the Alliance hero report to him all the important things that will go down in the Dragon Isles. This single act of sheer entitlement and arrogance would definitely spark a civil war to overthrow the tyrant.

I know right. How dare he do his job as Lord Commander effectively.

[Nyel]

Allied races were bfa content, give it a rest.

So was M+. Don't see why it couldnt be used going forward, same as other expansion specific stuff that players might like, for instance Dragonriding.

The same arguments were brought up for Shadowlands and the Covenants and yet here we are, getting none of them. I mean you can always find an argument for new allied races just [enter reason]. The thing is, the players bringing this up time and time again are just grasping at straws at this point.

[Valysar]

You can blast Legion raids easily.

Not as easily as before.
I remember killing in 5sec WoD bosses in Legion/BfA (even in mythic).
Why can't we kill Legion bosses in 5sec in SHADOWLANDS ?

[Sondrelk]

The same arguments were brought up for Shadowlands and the Covenants and yet here we are, getting none of them. I mean you can always find an argument for new allied races just [enter reason]. The thing is, the players bringing this up time and time again are just grasping at straws at this point.

Reputations now work on the Renown system, so really the only thing we are missing out on in that respect is actually having to choose a covenant, as well as the two active abilities.

And yes, it's unlikely that we will ever get an AR every major patch like what BfA did, but that doesnt mean we can't assume that the developers might look at one or two per expansion. Tuskarr have been requested for years, and Gnolls would look cool. Don't see why it's impossible that they might decide that they would work as AR races for 10.2 or whatever.

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Not as easily as before.
I remember killing in 5sec WoD bosses in Legion/BfA (even in mythic).
Why can't we kill Legion bosses in 5sec in SHADOWLANDS ?

Because Legion and BfA massively inflated your power. The defining thesis of Legion was power fantasy, as stated by the devs even, and BfA have you massive buffs every single major patch.
SL is just the first expansion since WoD to limit your power gains to reasonable amounts again.

[Xilurm]

No thanks.

Not sure why that's a bad thing. Night Elves being less "purple humans" is a good thing. Doesn't mean they need to go into a full on war or anything.

[BaumanKing]

The last short story confirms once again that Turalyon will become a villain. I mean, just look at how he burst out laughing when he heard a joke... totally suspicious! Do you people reckon that he'll be overthrown in the Siege of Stormwind at the end of Dragonflight or at the end of the next expansion?

Alleria was laughing, not Turalyon. And he is still a huge racist towards dragons tho.

[Xilurm]

The last short story confirms once again that Turalyon will become a villain. I mean, just look at how he burst out laughing when he heard a joke... totally suspicious! Do you people reckon that he'll be overthrown in the Siege of Stormwind at the end of Dragonflight or at the end of the next expansion?

No no it's going to be in patch 10.2. It's going to be revealed that he created a light worshipping raid under the Cathedral during the 3 year time skip. It's all going to start in 10.1 with him burning down the orphanage with blessed fire in the name of the Light.

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Alleria was laughing, not Turalyon. And he is still a huge racist towards dragons tho.

No he isn't.

[Valysar]

Because Legion and BfA massively inflated your power. The defining thesis of Legion was power fantasy, as stated by the devs even, and BfA have you massive buffs every single major patch.
SL is just the first expansion since WoD to limit your power gains to reasonable amounts again.

Well this is stupid then. What does it change if people can one shot a 5 years old raid ? :/

[BaumanKing]

No he isn't.

I mean, generalizing an entire race just because a couple of dragons went bad is racist in my book.