Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Varodoc]

Alleria was laughing, not Turalyon. And he is still a huge racist towards dragons tho.

Turalyon didn't laugh at a joke? Big red flag!!

Also, he wasn't racist against the Dracthyr, he was fair towards them. If he was racist he would have straight up sent them away from Stormwind.

Learn the Classic lore and you'll understand why Turalyon was fair towards them.

No no it's going to be in patch 10.2. It's going to be revealed that he created a light worshipping raid under the Cathedral during the 3 year time skip. It's all going to start in 10.1 with him burning down the orphanage with blessed fire in the name of the Light.

He doesn't even need to do all that to be a villain. He's already a villain in my opinion because he didn't laugh at a joke and he told the Spymaster to keep watch of the alien humanoid dragon species that just showed up demanding entrance into the city.

[Xilurm]

I mean, generalizing an entire race just because a couple of dragons went bad is racist in my book.

He just met some random dragons swooping into his city. What else has he said about them other than asking Shaw to keep an eye out?

[Varodoc]

I mean, generalizing an entire race just because a couple of dragons went bad is racist in my book.

"A couple of dragons" is already too much, since just one dragon is a literal flying nuke.

Onyxia and Deathwing, """"just"""" two dragons, almost ended Stormwind on two separate occasions. You will have to excuse the Lord Protector of Stormwind if he's not willing to compromise the security of Stormwind.

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He just met some random dragons swooping into his city. What else has he said about them other than asking Shaw to keep an eye out?

You know what the hilarious thing is?

It's literally Shaw's job. He's the Spymaster, he's supposed to keep an eye on people, that's what he's paid for.

Turalyon is an evil tyrant because he told the Spymaster to do his job omegalul

[Xilurm]

Imagine if they wanted to do something bad though? Why risk it? As a leader of a nation it's not your job to be nice to everyone, it's supposed to be taking care of your people.

If they were bad and killed people and their children then what? Who's fault is it? The evil guys of course but also the leader for being incompetent. All those lives, gone cause he "didn't want to seem racist."

[Varodoc]

Imagine if they wanted to do something bad though? Why risk it? As a leader of a nation it's not your job to be nice to everyone, it's supposed to be taking care of your people.

If they were bad and killed people and their children then what? Who's fault is it? The evil guys of course but also the leader for being incompetent. All those lives, gone cause he "didn't want to seem racist."

The hilarious thing is that these same people who defend the Dracthyr were also accusing the Ren'dorei of being dangerous and wondering why Anduin just let them freely walk the streets of Stormwind. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Sondrelk]

Well this is stupid then. What does it change if people can one shot a 5 years old raid ? :/

Nothing really. But it's the part where you have to put an arbitrary line declaring that once 10.0 comes out, the raids from 8.0 MUST be soloable with no wiggle room.
What's wrong with simply outgearing the raids naturally, giving a tangible benefit to gearing up that isnt purely based around endgame?

[Xilurm]

The fact that he even let them in the city shows he's willing to accept them anyway.

I recently replayed the DK starting experience in Wrath and I found it pretty funny how you, a literal machine of death, riding a skeleton horse reeking of death, just gallops through the city, goes into the keep and walks right to the King's face and all the guards including the royal guards who's life's purpose is to protect the king are only throwing bananas at you.

Yeah yeah 2008 technology and all that I get it, but still pretty funny.

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The hilarious thing is that these same people who defend the Dracthyr were also accusing the Ren'dorei of being dangerous and wondering why Anduin just let them freely walk the streets of Stormwind. Hypocrisy at its finest.

A lot of people are just naive. I would love a world were world peace was a thing but the greed of individuals is too high for that to happen. And I'd like that to be shown correctly in the games and media I consume. Makes for a more immersive storytelling.

[Varodoc]

The fact that he even let them in the city shows he's willing to accept them anyway.

Indeed. If Turalyon was really xenophobic like a few people claim, then he would have just shut the gates when the Dracthyr arrived. He still let them into the city, where they can make a home, and that's what matters.

In a perfect world, in a world where everyone is honest, good, and kind, Turalyon wouldn't need to have his Spymaster monitor people.

The very position of "Spymaster" wouldn't even exist, in a perfect world where no one has anything to hide, where everything is transparent.

Unfortunately, neither Azeroth nor irl are perfect worlds and so sometimes the leaders have to take unsavory measures to ensure the security and the safety of their people.

In a perfect Azeroth, Turalyon would just let the Dracthry do whatever they want. But since this isn't a fairy tale for 4 years old, he must ensure that the Dracthyr won't pull some shit like Onyxia and Deathwing did. And so they shall be monitored by the SI:7, nevertheless they can call Stormwind their home.

[Nyel]

Reputations now work on the Renown system, so really the only thing we are missing out on in that respect is actually having to choose a covenant, as well as the two active abilities.

And yes, it's unlikely that we will ever get an AR every major patch like what BfA did, but that doesnt mean we can't assume that the developers might look at one or two per expansion. Tuskarr have been requested for years, and Gnolls would look cool. Don't see why it's impossible that they might decide that they would work as AR races for 10.2 or whatever.

I was talking solely about Covenant AR races there, sorry. Should have made it clear what I was referring to.

DF is re-introducing Sethrak, so maybe we have another chance for their AR this time... I'm still mad that Alliance got the trash-tier Mechagnomes when compared to Vulpera.

[Jaggler]

I was talking solely about Covenant AR races there, sorry. Should have made it clear what I was referring to.

DF is re-introducing Sethrak, so maybe we have another chance for their AR this time... I'm still mad that Alliance got the trash-tier Mechagnomes when compared to Vulpera.

TBH Covenant AR would make very little sense. I don't see, why a Venthyr or Kyrian would joing Horde o Alliance. With the Veil mended, travel between th Shadowlands and Azeroth also wouldn't be as easy as it once was.

[Nyel]

TBH Covenant AR would make very little sense. I don't see, why a Venthyr or Kyrian would joing Horde o Alliance. With the Veil mended, travel between th Shadowlands and Azeroth also wouldn't be as easy as it once was.

Absolutely, Covenant AR never made any sense, but people were arguing for 2 years of Shadowlands and basically since the Covenant races have been revealed in 2019 that they might become AR and why they might become AR etc.

[Jaggler]

Absolutely, Covenant AR never made any sense, but people were arguing for 2 years of Shadowlands and basically since the Covenant races have been revealed in 2019 that they might become AR and why they might become AR etc.

Oh okay, so we are on the same page, good. Then i misunderstood you, sorry.

Yeah, SL just by virtue of the setting doesn't have any good candidates for AR. That could change in DF and onward. What with there being hints of other kinds of dwarves and whatever lives on Avaloren.

I wouldn't discount it, but if it makes sense why not use this system, that is already in place.

[Berkilak]

You don't need to be a villain to be an antagonist.

[Zulggun]

So was M+. Don't see why it couldnt be used going forward, same as other expansion specific stuff that players might like, for instance Dragonriding.

Adding new races is infinitely more work that retuning dungeons. Besides, m+ is very unusual ocurrence for blizzard to keep feature for future expansions. It's much safer to expect that feature won't be available in next expansion instead of pointing at every single new npc and pray for it to be allied race.

[Lady Atia]

I don't think Drakonid are going to be as popular as MMOC thinks. They are muscular, but are more lizards than Dracthyr are, and are just the same classes as usual.

That being said I think most likely is Tuskarr (male and female) and then Drakonid. But also possibly whatever the Dwarf variant is we meet.

Yeah, I'm quite sure if we get an Allied Race out of the Dragon Isles it will be Tuskarr - they even featured them in the cinematic trailer. We don't need Drakonids as we already have Dracthyr, they just need to be able to pick more classes.

[Zulggun]

So what skeleton would they reuse on player tuskar models? Because if they couln't be bothered to rig armor into dracthyrs, I can't imagine them doing that for allied race.

[Sondrelk]

So what skeleton would they reuse on player tuskar models? Because if they couln't be bothered to rig armor into dracthyrs, I can't imagine them doing that for allied race.

Tuskarr is a much less complicated model. Compared to stuff like Drakonid or Gnolls, I feel Tuskarr should be fairly easy to make work.

Then again, Dracthyr should have been easy to make work as well, so who even knows.

[Jaggler]

Adding new races is infinitely more work that retuning dungeons. Besides, m+ is very unusual ocurrence for blizzard to keep feature for future expansions. It's much safer to expect that feature won't be available in next expansion instead of pointing at every single new npc and pray for it to be allied race.

I wouldn't call it a very unusual occurance. While there are certainly systems that are scrapped after just one expansion, there are enough features/systems that got carried forward at least for a while. Dungeon/Raid Finder, Flying, M+ as an evolved form of MoP/WoD-Challenge runs, The scenario-system is used in many story quests, mission tables, flexible raid sizes, max level power progression (Artifact, Azerite, Covenant), invasions and renown, just from the top of my hat.

[Nymrohd]

Well, it's worse than before.

But as always, Blizzard does not know what they are doing with old raids...

Just let us oneshot everything in Legion and BFA, like we can OS Black Temple's bosses, or Hellfire Citadell etc...

I like there being some challenge. Not a lot but you know, it's fun if you have to pay a bit of attention.

[Zulggun]

Tuskarr is a much less complicated model. Compared to stuff like Drakonid or Gnolls, I feel Tuskarr should be fairly easy to make work.

Then again, Dracthyr should have been easy to make work as well, so who even knows.

I mean they didn't even put a chest armor on dracthyr. I understand their legs and arms, they are weird, but chest is pretty standard and here we are, with no chest transmog.

I wouldn't call it a very unusual occurance. While there are certainly systems that are scrapped after just one expansion, there are enough features/systems that got carried forward at least for a while. Dungeon/Raid Finder, Flying, M+ as an evolved form of MoP/WoD-Challenge runs, The scenario-system is used in many story quests, mission tables, flexible raid sizes, max level power progression (Artifact, Azerite, Covenant), invasions and renown, just from the top of my hat.

Raids and dungeons are not feature, they are core gameplay. Other things you mentioned, sure some of them makes sense, but they are all at least modified in mext expansions. How would you modify allied race, when they are already a twist on normal races.

TBH I don't think allied races are off the table completely, but as I said some ppl tend to get too exctited about them.