Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

You know that both Garrosh and Grommash also had "perky nipples"? (and Garrosh was also bald lol) Really no clue why that "lol nipple jailer" meme seems to be so funny for some people ...

Because his design accentuates his chest, which has very noticable nipples.
The orc models do not.

The orcs are expected to be seen shirtless and hairless because of their general tribal aesthetic.
The Jailer has none of that.

Not to mention that one is a robotic, cosmic entity that shouldn't have nipples to beginn with, and the others are mammals.

It looks weird and out of place.

[Cheezits]

I would guess they just chose whichever incarnate was the hardest to make relevant to established threats, or linked to areas that could have patch content.

The air elementals don't really have much going for them conflict wise, and while having a patch set in the sky would be amazing, it might be difficult to pull off convincingly.

I guess the frost one would be better for the first patch, but hard to tell. The fire one can be linked to Ragnarok and the Dark Iron rebels. And the Earth one can be linked to Neltharion, Therazane, and the Earthen.

The frost one is likely connected to a later patch IMO, as they will probably go to Northrend due to Wyrmrest/Galakrond being there/Titan shit/Sons of Hodir tabard datamined. Irikrond is clearly connected to Dragon Isles Underground 10.1 and the underground Dwarves being teased (also that mole model).

The Fire Dragon... IDK what the patch relation is unless the Djaradin get their own patch. It could be related to the Firelands cult but besides the Djaradin the fire dragon seems to be kind of the odd one out. Unless it just wants to burn down the Dream? (I think it will be Galakrond vs the Dream because Decay)

[Sondrelk]

The frost one is likely connected to a later patch IMO, as they will probably go to Northrend due to Wyrmrest/Galakrond being there/Titan shit/Sons of Hodir tabard datamined. Irikrond is clearly connected to Dragon Isles Underground 10.1 and the underground Dwarves being teased (also that mole model).

The Fire Dragon... IDK what the patch relation is unless the Djaradin get their own patch. It could be related to the Firelands cult but besides the Djaradin the fire dragon seems to be kind of the odd one out. Unless it just wants to burn down the Dream? (I think it will be Galakrond vs the Dream because Decay)

That's true, the ice one could definitely be linked to Northrend and all the Dragon stuff there.
So yeah, Raszageth is the only incarnate that doesn't have a clear future plotline readily available.

[Kiivar86]

I'm kinda glad the fire one's not the first up if only because I'm kinda tired of fire as an enemy. Though I recognize that this means a later enemy will be fire instead.

Can't escape it either way I guess.

[Cheezits]

I'm kinda glad the fire one's not the first up if only because I'm kinda tired of fire as an enemy. Though I recognize that this means a later enemy will be fire instead.

Can't escape it either way I guess.

I wish they would've done a water AND an ice dragon (twins maybe?) while skipping fire entirely. It would be poetic if Neltharion ended up being the the true fire incarnate AND it skips over the fire dragon trope.

[Atticon]

The frost one is likely connected to a later patch IMO, as they will probably go to Northrend due to Wyrmrest/Galakrond being there/Titan shit/Sons of Hodir tabard datamined. Irikrond is clearly connected to Dragon Isles Underground 10.1 and the underground Dwarves being teased (also that mole model).

Mole model? Think I missed that.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Not to mention that one is a robotic, cosmic entity that shouldn't have nipples to beginn with, and the others are mammals.

It is such an awkward design choice. Who in the fuck looked at the legitimately good old Jailer design with the flowing beard and the like and decided "no, looks too Titanic, won't do. We need a giant vampire with big nipples"?

[Nebron]

It is nice to have a villain people can get excited over again.

Right?
I'm really happy that people can unite in making all this theories out of pure excitement. That's the feeling I've dreamed for a long time when it comes to WoW's lore.

It may not be perfect, even far from being flawless, but that down-to-earth vibes are so pleasent.

Ion once confirmed, that we should have a pretty good understanding on who is the main villian for the expansion once we play through the content of the 10.0. We have no confirmation of what lies beyond there, but it seems like it's just that - Primal Incarnates. And actually, I much prefer that over Galakrond ressurected or even Murozond. If they are able to pull that off - to give these antagonists a good background story and purpose - well, Dragonflight may shine relatively to the most recent expansion and I absolutely love it.

Also, the theory about Iridikron consuming some shit, possibly it's own sibilings giving the vibes of Galakrond, without a need to bring him back, already sounds like a good direction. After all, as far as we know, Galakrond grew, because he was drinking corrupted waters/ eating lots of shit. Also, Iridikron is an earth Primal Incarnate, which not only makes him resemble Neltharion by it's nature, but it would also make him prone to corruption? There's a reason they are teasing Iridikron as a pretty big issue, or maybe it's just a red herring.

Perhaps, we won't actually be able to defeat Iridikron in the end, which would make a smooth transition for 11.0 - Cataclysm 2.0/ world remake? Possibilities are endless, but when it comes to Dragonflight, Primal Incarnates being the main and probably only threat (apart from Infinite Dragonflight obviously) would be a good choice - much easier to handle both for players and, especially, developers.

[Nyel]

Also, the theory about Iridikron consuming some shit, possibly it's own sibilings giving the vibes of Galakrond, without a need to bring him back, already sounds like a good direction. After all, as far as we know, Galakrond grew, because he was drinking corrupted waters/ eating lots of shit. Also, Iridikron is an earth Primal Incarnate, which not only makes him resemble Neltharion by it's nature, but it would also make him prone to corruption? There's a reason they are teasing Iridikron as a pretty big issue, or maybe it's just a red herring.

Imagine Iridikron eating / devouring Wrathion or his competitors to complete the cycle. Would also solve the question of "who's the next leader of the Black Dragonflight".

[Nebron]

Imagine Iridikron eating / devouring Wrathion or his competitors to complete the cycle. Would also solve the question of "who's the next leader of the Black Dragonflight".

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

[Nymrohd]

Here is an idea
The Primalists are all about opposing Titan influence on the planet and about the elemental state being the natural state.
What if the Incarnates major concern is not the work of the Pantheon? What if it is Azeroth herself?
The most important influence on the planet is the world soul. The world soul deprived the planet of Spirit causing the elements to go aggressive, the world soul attracted the Pantheon, Old Gods, Burning Legion, some random bald dude. And perhaps when the world soul awakens she will irrevocably change the planet yet again. So maybe the end goal is not to just destroy the Aspects and the Keepers but the World Soul itself (or at least make certain it will never wake up)

[Lady Atia]

Here is an idea
The Primalists are all about opposing Titan influence on the planet and about the elemental state being the natural state.
What if the Incarnates major concern is not the work of the Pantheon? What if it is Azeroth herself?
The most important influence on the planet is the world soul. The world soul deprived the planet of Spirit causing the elements to go aggressive, the world soul attracted the Pantheon, Old Gods, Burning Legion, some random bald dude. And perhaps when the world soul awakens she will irrevocably change the planet yet again. So maybe the end goal is not to just destroy the Aspects and the Keepers but the World Soul itself (or at least make certain it will never wake up)

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

[Gorsameth]

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

Having a 3e become the eventual Aspect would also avoid a potential problem of having to deal with players who chose the 'wrong' person to side with.

[Nyel]

Wrathion not becoming Aspect would basically make him an antagonist (more than in the past), if not a villain. He's too proud and vain to accept such a defeat and still be our ally.

[huth]

Technically, it would solve it, no doubt about it
But my gut feeling is that while the competition for leadership is between Wrathion and Sabellian, eventually it will be Ebyssian - which would be the cliche subvert the expectations type of storytelling. He's calm, patient, balanced and he seems to portray the very opposite of what other Blacks represent.

But still, Wrathion is such a chad, it'd be a pity for him to die/ not be the leader.
But Iridikron devouring him would be... poetic

Wrathion leader, Ebyssian as advisor and running all the boring everyday stuff behind the scenes seems ideal to me from a practical PoV.

[Jaggler]

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

Sargeras and N'zoth were less about destroying the World soul and more about corrupting it. The Jailer's goal also wasn't explicitly about killing Azeroth, but rather siphoning it's power to fuel his plans.

[Lahis]

So, basically the plot of the last three expansions, again?

Only if they also try to harvest Azerite to power up their Big Elemental Magic of Doom.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Guys if we keep spamming the World Soul plotline maybe they will do something!

[draugril]

Wrathion leader, Ebyssian as advisor and running all the boring everyday stuff behind the scenes seems ideal to me from a practical PoV.

I think both are too naive, really. Wrathion is like 12 years old, and Ebonhorn has spent his entire life confined to Highmountain with even less global experience than Wrathion.

[huth]

I think both are too naive, really. Wrathion is like 12 years old, and Ebonhorn has spent his entire life confined to Highmountain with even less global experience than Wrathion.

And the other option spend the last few decades in Outland. Not like there's a whole lot of possibilities, and i'd expect Ebonhorn to do a lot better at basic stuff than the little kid.